hi guy's,

I'm looking for some info on shermans and witch model (1/35) I can use to make this sherman

http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=548987282&photoID=2280056420086791283&security=UvVRSE

http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=showPhoto&albumID=548987282&photoID=2591711100086791283&security=RdPsVu

Can any one help??

TIA
Jan-Willem

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Can you post a better scan of the rear of the tanks, as the current one doesn't give quite enough resolution to see the hull rear properly?

They look like either Sherman Is or Sherman IIIs. For the first, the Tamiya M4 Early is good, once you've got the correct bogies, for the second, you'll have to go the resin route.

Those are both Sherman Is (or M4). The Tamiya M4 Early Production kit is a good starting point for you.

(David: you can tell the M4 by its rear bulkhead, notice the cutout and the two air filters)

For a full tweaks list of the M4 kit go here:

http://www.usarmymodels.com/MANUFACTURERS/Tamiya/tamiya35190.html

Couldn't quite make out if the light-coloured blobs were air filters or the lower corners of the M4A2s upper hull rear plate.

You'll also need a few British mods like the first Aid kit box on the upper hull rear.

The radial engined Shermans (M4, M4A1) are the ones with the high bulkhead. The M4A2 has a plate that is longer. The same with the M4A3 and M4A4. Whenever you see the "high skirt", you know you've got a radial engine Sherman.

HTH

RC

Hi Jan Can you give me a time frame of the pictures and is it an allied tank or axis tank.The town or relavent country would be a help.Have spent hundreds of hours researching shermans...If you e mail me at [email protected] I will forward you some of the archive pictures Ihave of the M4 Shermen v I am building.Please let me know....Bob Coffey

I'm going to differ from the others and state that they are both M4A2 (probably with cast hoods). I originally thought M4's (which would have been Fireflies for Canadians in Holland) but after looking at the other pics in particular this one, I came to the conclusion of M4A4 or M4A2, looking at the side on shots it became obvious they were M4A2:
http://news.webshots.com/photo/2439151720086791283jitffB

They both have a Rack (like the late M4A1 and M4A3's which looks like the cutout for an M4. I wont swear to it but I am fairly certain the only M4 used by Canadians in NWE was the Firefly (Welded and Hybrid).
Better Quality Scans would help to positively ID them. If you can give us the Marking info (AOS and Formation) then we can narrow it down as Commonwealth Formations in NWE tended to be assoc with vehicle types (not hard and fast).

If it is an A2 then go with the DML Sher III kit.
AL

The rear ends in the first pic are definitely M4s.

The second pic may not even be the same two tanks, just a similar formation.

I disagree, having just blown them up. The rear stowage shelve is throwing a shadow which looks like the cutout on an M4. If you look at the first pic and blow it up you can see the shelf but more importantly you can see the right hand side of the vehicle where the rear plate continues down from the sponson. I'm sticking with M4A2 particularly as these are Canadian vehicles.
If you blowup the side on shots you cannot see the armoured cover behind the turret that an M4 would have. These vehicles (I am certain they are the same in all the pics) have T numbers which makes them Commonwealth. As they Don't have large Turret numbers we can rule out 33 Armoured Brigade who were the only Commonwealth user of M4 gun tanks in NWE.

The stowage on the rear plate (shelf or Box ) casts a large shadow under it which makes this look like an M4 IMHO. Add to this the absence of Grouser vent covers on the hull rear and I'm now 100% convinced they are A2's

We really need some better scans. Jan, is there any chance of getting a copy of the pics to get a better idea?

Al

I don't know how I missed it in the fiirst place. Apart from the arguments listed in my other posts these vehicles are both missing the Grouser vent covers from the hull rears. I am now 100% certain they are M4A2 in which case you need the DML Sherman III kit 6313. Make sure to use the later mantlet however. You'll also need applique Armour which may be found from older DML M4A4 kits.
Al
Shermaholicus Britannicus

On second look, I think you are right, Al.

I would not, however, declare this a M4A2 based on a lack of grouser vent covers. Hunnicutt shows grouser vent covers on the earliest models and I know they continued through the 76mm version. Did they remove them for the Cannucks? I think not.

They are there -- we just can't see them.

I am aware that the hole in the deck was there but a flat- flush plate was fitted and I have yet to see the raised Cast metal vent cover as fitted to the M4, early M4A3 and M4A4. As can be seen from reading my thread this was not my sole basis for declare them M4A2. I have NEVER seen an M4or M4A4 missing these so it goes along way to ID'ing an A2.

Cheers
Al