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MTO Canadian Armor unit markings & Camo.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 08:40 PM UTC
I was finishing up on a M4A1 last night with the trusty airbrush and wanted to model a Canadian Tank in Italy 43-45.

I am not very knowledgable regarding Canadian unit markings - can someone from the great white north help me???

I know about the flash red / white but I just can't figure out the brigade/unit symbols.

I guess I could also model it in ETO, but its an early A1 with no applique and 1 pc trans cover.

Chris
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 09:44 PM UTC
Hello Chris,

I cannot help you with any cammo details but try this for unit markings.

http://www.armouredacorn.com/Reference/CAM/Default.htm

It might help a little.

Cheers
Kevin
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 09:49 PM UTC

Chris,

At the moment I am finishing building a Canadian A1 in Normandy. You could probably get away with using your Sherman in Normandy if you added the applique which wouldn't be tough. Here are three decal sets for Canadian Regiments in Italy:

http://www.ultracast.ca/products/D35/007/default.htm
http://www.ultracast.ca/products/D35/008/default.htm
http://www.ultracast.ca/products/D35/009/default.htm

For colour scheme, I would say hust the basic one-tone commonwealth scheme, but don't quote me.

Daniel
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 09:54 PM UTC
Chris,
Quartermaster's Depot carries some fine decals and accessories to suit your project: http://store.quartermastersdepot.com/
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 10:24 PM UTC
Thanks for the speedy response Kevin, Mike, and Daniel! It looks like its going to be 3 Rivers Sherman -- I just ordered a set of the Ultracast decals.

thanks,
Chris
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 11:13 PM UTC
Hmmm didn't the Three Rivers Regiment have M4A4's ? I haven't seen many M4A1s in Canadian service .I think we had a few in Normandy but other than that ,I'm sure we had more M4A4's and M4A2's.

Rick (I might be wrong)
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 11:46 PM UTC
I don't have my references handy but I seem to recall that the only unit to use the M4A1 were the GGHG (Govenor Generals Horse Guards).

I am not a hundred percent certain about what regiment used them but I do know for a fact that the M4A1 was not used to any great extent by the Canadians in WW2.

As others said the most common would be the M4A2 and the M4A4.

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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 12:23 AM UTC
Damn, what have I done? I'll have to change it or just go ahead and take some creative license(?) Maybe I'll model a replacement tank....

Chris
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 12:47 AM UTC
Hi Chris,

Sorry I can't help, but I have a complete listing of The Fort Garry Horse vehicles and equipment I drew up in conjunction with their Archves. If anyone would like a copy just PM me you e-mail address.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 08:24 PM UTC
According to my references, the only Canadian unit to use the M4A1 75mm tanks was the Governor General's Horse Guards. They used them from the time the 5th Division arrived in Italy until their move to Northern Europe in 1945. The M4A1s came with them to Europe but were replaced by M4A4s when they arrived to be compatible with the rest of the army.

I am currently working on a 1/48 scale M4A1 which I plan on doing as 'Amaze', which is pictured on page 235 of the book "The Governor General's Horse Guards: Second to None" which is a very useful (if expensive) book if you want to model a Canadian M4A1.

Note that the book states that all the tanks were repainted with a "darker green" which I would assume was SCC15 and the steel tracks were replace with the rubber chevron tracks for the inspection by King George in July 1944.
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 08:51 PM UTC
Glenn, THanks for the info! I must have ESP b/c it already got painted the Dark Bronze Green ( humbrol) and I start the markings this weekend.

Thanks everyone for the great ( and timely, responses)

Chris
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 - 10:01 PM UTC

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Glenn, THanks for the info! I must have ESP b/c it already got painted the Dark Bronze Green ( humbrol) and I start the markings this weekend.


Chris,

I'm afraid your ESP is a bit off. Dark Bronze Green was _never_ painted on wartime commonwealth vehicles. Any repainting of Canadian vehicles leaving Italy for NW Europe would have been SCC15 Olive Drab. It would be fine to use Tamiya OD with a touch of green added. If you like Humbrol, then the MAFVA site has humbrol mixes.

Bronze green is right out, I'm afraid.

Paul
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Posted: Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 06:24 PM UTC
Oooooppps - cancel that paiont order. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll go the XF-62 route with some fading.

Thanks guys!

Chris
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Posted: Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 07:42 PM UTC

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Oooooppps - cancel that paiont order. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll go the XF-62 route with some fading.


Well it's not a dead loss as you can use the Bronze green as a dark preshade.

As for the fading, remember, these tanks were painted spanking new and were only in the field for 3 months in the winter/spring before the war ended. There was very little time or UV to fade the paint. Lighten it a bit with yellow for scale effect, but don't fade it. You can then dust the crap out of it to show heavy use if you like.

One interesting thing you might want to try is to consider the effects of painting the tank in the field. Lots of times tools, accessories, and even tires were all painted by the broad swath of the paint gun. The squaddies weren't too particular as to what got painted and what didn't, as long as nothing critical, like periscopes, was obscured. Occasionally they would even mask off the registration numbers and paint arount that leaving an SCC15 tank with, perhaps, an old LIght Mud background for the old registration numbers. There are a number of details you could find to indicate that this is a repainted tank. Would make for something different.

HTH

Paul
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