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KV 2 Big Turret - Finished
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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 04:45 PM UTC
Hi all. I have just finished my Trumpeter 1/35 KV 2 Big Turret. Please give me some feedback and comments. Your inputs will be greatly appreciated since I just started my hobby on armor modeling. This is my second kit so far. Enjoy & Thank you.





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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 06:30 PM UTC
It looks like a nice clean build, my only concerns is the light is pointing up in the air and what happened to the pre formed tracks with the moulded sag? Or did you use the rubber band style tracks they include. Ill be honest I’ve cheated as I’ve bought the entire KV range Trumpeter produce I’ve made a jig to take a set of wheels that I can mould the tracks too before placing them on the model. The only thing I really didn’t like about the construction of this particular kit was the turret coming in two parts rather than one. Any how at the end of the day as long as you are happy that’s what matters, well done.
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 01:18 AM UTC

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It looks like a nice clean build, my only concerns is the light is pointing up in the air and what happened to the pre formed tracks with the moulded sag? Or did you use the rubber band style tracks they include. Ill be honest I’ve cheated as I’ve bought the entire KV range Trumpeter produce I’ve made a jig to take a set of wheels that I can mould the tracks too before placing them on the model. The only thing I really didn’t like about the construction of this particular kit was the turret coming in two parts rather than one. Any how at the end of the day as long as you are happy that’s what matters, well done.



Thanks Darren for the input. I just realize the light is indeed pointing to the sky. I am going to repair it soon. I used the rubber track since I was lazy to assemble one by one. Well I used to make gundam kits so I found the turret quite easy to assemble and remove the seam line since Trumpeter plastic material is quite soft.
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 03:49 AM UTC
In order to obtain the track sag that is shown in the pre moulded links in the box try following these steps.

1. Remove the rubber band tracks.

2. Take the moulded top set of tracks and remove the guide horns if needed so that you can place them on the wheels

3. Mark the side of the tank with a pencil at the lowest point of the sag (make sure you mark the tread side and not the guide horn side).

4. Drill a small hole on the pencil mark just big enough to take a fine metal rod and match the hole on the other side of the tank.

5. Cut the required number of rods (I believe its 3) a few mm shorter than the distance from the outside of the tracks on one side to the outside of the tracks on the other side.

6. Replace the rubber band tracks.

7. Insert the metal rods which forces the rubber band tracks down simulating track sag. Use cyno to hold the metal rods in place if needed.

8. Paint the metal rod holding down the tracks to match the colours used on the tracks to disguise them.

This should give you a better representation of how the tracks sag on the real thing. I have use this method on kits supplied with just rubber band style tracks and while not perfect it does help to emulate the look of the real thing.


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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 04:21 AM UTC
I think it looks very nice,welcome to the world of armor modeling.The only thing i could point out is that for a Russian vehichle it looks real clean,maybe a wash or some pigments,also need to weather the decals,the white looks real bright ,but keep up the fine work.
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 05:14 AM UTC
Hi Dany,

if "sagging the tracks" will be to much work, don't worry. You'll find that under certain circumstances the tracks were nearly straight!

http://mechcorps.rkka.ru/files/kv2/images/kv-2_041.jpg

Most often there was sag, but be aware not to overdo, hence the KV-2 had a very short service life, so wear and tear hadn't much chance to lengthen the tracks. (the average KV-1 often had greater amount of sag)

If I could place my 2cent, I would comment on the decals. First of all, there is no evidence of a KV-2 (big turret - and there weren't much of them!) with slogans on the turret. And if one speculates on that, I'll be in doubt, that they would have tilted the stars (or better hammer&sickle) in that way!

Best wishes

Volker

P.S.: Excuse my bad english, not a native speaker
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 01:32 PM UTC

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In order to obtain the track sag that is shown in the pre moulded links in the box try following these steps.

1. Remove the rubber band tracks.

2. Take the moulded top set of tracks and remove the guide horns if needed so that you can place them on the wheels

3. Mark the side of the tank with a pencil at the lowest point of the sag (make sure you mark the tread side and not the guide horn side).

4. Drill a small hole on the pencil mark just big enough to take a fine metal rod and match the hole on the other side of the tank.

5. Cut the required number of rods (I believe its 3) a few mm shorter than the distance from the outside of the tracks on one side to the outside of the tracks on the other side.

6. Replace the rubber band tracks.

7. Insert the metal rods which forces the rubber band tracks down simulating track sag. Use cyno to hold the metal rods in place if needed.

8. Paint the metal rod holding down the tracks to match the colours used on the tracks to disguise them.

This should give you a better representation of how the tracks sag on the real thing. I have use this method on kits supplied with just rubber band style tracks and while not perfect it does help to emulate the look of the real thing.





Thanks Darren for the step by step info. I will try on my KV 1 kits later. By the way does the metal rods need to be painted with primer before painting?
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 01:37 PM UTC

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I think it looks very nice,welcome to the world of armor modeling.The only thing i could point out is that for a Russian vehichle it looks real clean,maybe a wash or some pigments,also need to weather the decals,the white looks real bright ,but keep up the fine work.



Thanks Anthony for your comments. I did wash it with mixture of Tamiya enamel Flat Black & Flat Earth but after it dried the effect seem too soft until you can't really see it. Do you have any suggestion? Is it because the mixture is too thin (ratio between paint & thinner)? Before I apply the wash, I sprayed the whole body with Mr Hobby Gloss.
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 01:53 PM UTC

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Hi Dany,

if "sagging the tracks" will be to much work, don't worry. You'll find that under certain circumstances the tracks were nearly straight!

http://mechcorps.rkka.ru/files/kv2/images/kv-2_041.jpg

Most often there was sag, but be aware not to overdo, hence the KV-2 had a very short service life, so wear and tear hadn't much chance to lengthen the tracks. (the average KV-1 often had greater amount of sag)

If I could place my 2cent, I would comment on the decals. First of all, there is no evidence of a KV-2 (big turret - and there weren't much of them!) with slogans on the turret. And if one speculates on that, I'll be in doubt, that they would have tilted the stars (or better hammer&sickle) in that way!

Best wishes

Volker

P.S.: Excuse my bad english, not a native speaker



Thx Volker for the input & comment. Could you tell me more regarding the slogan on the turret? Since I am just started on armor modeling I am just following what the manufacturer of the kit give inside the box.
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 08:08 PM UTC
Hi Dany,

if making a start in modelling of russian WWII vehicles, trumpeters KV's are surely one of the best choices. They can be build straight foreward and even without aftermarket stuff will be build in nice models.
KV-2's have been produced in much smaller numbers than KV-1 or even T-34's. Esp. of the "big turret" version, literally only a handful had been produced. And as many of them had been pictured by german soldiers and german propaganda (not at least to counter the "panzer schock") one can say that no source is published, that shows slogans on KV-2 (big turret) and even tactical markings were very rare.
For a good online ref for KV-2 look here: http://mechcorps.rkka.ru/files/kv2/kv2.htm (loading slow!)

I personally think, that trump has added those markings (to both KV-2's!) to make those tanks look more attractive than plain green ;-).

HTH!?

Volker
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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 03:15 AM UTC
I never bothered priming the metal rods but it won’t hurt any. In addition as a rule I feed the metal rods through before closing up the hull because of the problem with finding the hole on the other side of the hull. However on this occasion you don’t have that luxury.

On a side note I am making the full range of KV tanks that Trumpeter have and apart from the front plate with the horrible cut out you have to make they are a joy to build, I take that back the marks on the individual track links will drive me mad before I’ve finished them all. But as far as bang for your buck goes they are the only show in town. Plus adding rubber band and individual track links in the box is a step that I wish other manufacturers would look at.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 08:05 AM UTC
Looks good to me. That is in my list of kits to build. I am just once again starting to build again.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 08:53 AM UTC
Danny:
Looks good. Gotta love these Trumpeter kits. I am building a KV1E right now. I think the molded track links look better than the rubber band tracks. You did a great job weathering the tracks.

Keep up the good work

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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 01:42 PM UTC

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Looks good to me. That is in my list of kits to build. I am just once again starting to build again.




Thx Jim for the comment. I like this model & kit because it is quite simple to assemble. Not too many parts unlike modern tanks. Hope to see your finished KV 2.

Danny
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 01:47 PM UTC
Hi Danny. For your second armor model, you should be very proud. Wish my first 2 years of models looked anywhere as good as this.
Over time you start to pick up on information like Darren and Volker have addressed, and will help improve and make your models more accurate. It doesn´t help when companies take liberties with things like the choice of decals in this kit, but you made them sit perfectly anyway, which is all good experience with your next model. Looking forward to more!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 01:49 PM UTC

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Danny:
Looks good. Gotta love these Trumpeter kits. I am building a KV1E right now. I think the molded track links look better than the rubber band tracks. You did a great job weathering the tracks.

Keep up the good work




Thx Brian for your comment. I know the molded tracks are better but at that time I was lazy to cut, sand & assemble the tracks individually, ha ha ha. But on my KV1, I am going to use the molded tracks.

Danny
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 02:12 PM UTC

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Hi Danny. For your second armor model, you should be very proud. Wish my first 2 years of models looked anywhere as good as this.
Over time you start to pick up on information like Darren and Volker have addressed, and will help improve and make your models more accurate. It doesn´t help when companies take liberties with things like the choice of decals in this kit, but you made them sit perfectly anyway, which is all good experience with your next model. Looking forward to more!



Thx Frank for your comments. I am still learning how to apply weathering. Right now I am making Sherman and it turned out a total mess. Well, I guess I have to learn more.

Danny
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Posted: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 01:28 AM UTC
Looks really great!

The only small nicpicks I can find is the tracks, the tilted stars, headlight pointed upwards. Otherwise it is a great build and much better than my second kit.

Good job - and thanks for sharing
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Posted: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 01:41 AM UTC

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Looks really great!

The only small nicpicks I can find is the tracks, the tilted stars, headlight pointed upwards. Otherwise it is a great build and much better than my second kit.

Good job - and thanks for sharing



Thanks Jesper for your comments. I tried to fix the headlight but I guess the glue is too strong. I am afraid I might break the light. I did not realize it until somebody point that out to me, ha ha ha. Well, I will be more careful when I do my next KV2 & KV1 kits in the future.

Danny
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