Does anybody know where Creighton Abrams served during the Battle of the Bulge?
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Where did Abrams' tank serve?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 10:05 PM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 11:29 PM UTC
I believe he was the battalion commander of the 37th Tank Battalion, 4th Armored Division. His battalion led the breakthrough to Bastogne. I will look it up to double check myself.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 01:52 AM UTC
Gday Sam
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Abrams was CO of the 37TB of the 4AD. After tank battles in Lorraine they were directed to Belgium to stem the German offensive. After attacking Bigonville and the following day Remonville, they realised how close they were to relieving the Bastogne perimeter. On the 26th orders came to assault Sibret in order to reach Bastogne, but Abrams, after assuming Sibret to be heavily defended, orchesrated an attack instead through Assenois contrary to orders using Company C of the 37thTB and the 53AIB with fire support from 105mm howitzer battalions and 155mm howitzers. Abrams arrived at the secured Bastogne perimeter that evening to confer with General McAuliffe (commander of the 101st AB) about organising a supply column to the town... This was in Thunderbolt VI, an M4A3(76).
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Abrams was CO of the 37TB of the 4AD. After tank battles in Lorraine they were directed to Belgium to stem the German offensive. After attacking Bigonville and the following day Remonville, they realised how close they were to relieving the Bastogne perimeter. On the 26th orders came to assault Sibret in order to reach Bastogne, but Abrams, after assuming Sibret to be heavily defended, orchesrated an attack instead through Assenois contrary to orders using Company C of the 37thTB and the 53AIB with fire support from 105mm howitzer battalions and 155mm howitzers. Abrams arrived at the secured Bastogne perimeter that evening to confer with General McAuliffe (commander of the 101st AB) about organising a supply column to the town... This was in Thunderbolt VI, an M4A3(76).
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 04:00 AM UTC
Thanks guys.
Now that takes guts! Good thing it all turned out right, or he would have been in big trouble!
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On the 26th orders came to assault Sibret in order to reach Bastogne, but Abrams, after assuming Sibret to be heavily defended, orchesrated an attack instead through Assenois contrary to orders using Company C of the 37thTB and the 53AIB with fire support from 105mm howitzer battalions and 155mm howitzers. Abrams arrived at the secured Bastogne perimeter that evening to confer with General McAuliffe (commander of the 101st AB) about organising a supply column to the town... This was in Thunderbolt VI, an M4A3(76).
Now that takes guts! Good thing it all turned out right, or he would have been in big trouble!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 04:39 AM UTC
From everything I have heard about him, he was one hell of a tanker.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 07:36 AM UTC
They named a tank after him so it makes so I guess that descibes his value to Armor, Another hero of Bastogne was Major (at the time) William Desobry. He actually turned the German 2nd Armored DIvision away from Bastogne during the opening days of the battle. I knew the General and his wife quiet well (HE ended up a LT GEN) during our years at FT KNox.
If any of you Sherman experts hae any info on his tank, I sure would like it to hoor my old friend. PM me with the info
If any of you Sherman experts hae any info on his tank, I sure would like it to hoor my old friend. PM me with the info
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 07:45 AM UTC
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Now that takes guts! Good thing it all turned out right, or he would have been in big trouble!
Very few American officers in the ETO got in trouble (especially in 3rd Army) for being too aggressive, most of those who got into trouble were there because they weren't aggressive enough.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 02:22 PM UTC
Another question: Would his tank have been white washed at the time of his link up with forces in Bastogne, or were not all tnks white washed?
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 01:52 AM UTC
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They named a tank after him so it makes so I guess that descibes his value to Armor, Another hero of Bastogne was Major (at the time) William Desobry. He actually turned the German 2nd Armored DIvision away from Bastogne during the opening days of the battle. I knew the General and his wife quiet well (HE ended up a LT GEN) during our years at FT KNox.
If any of you Sherman experts hae any info on his tank, I sure would like it to hoor my old friend. PM me with the info
You knew Desobry? You must be older than me.....
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 05:12 AM UTC
Another book that is somewhat of a counter to the Abrams celebrity is Albin Irzyk's "He Rode Up Front for Patton". Irzyk was another Bn commander in the 4AD. His experiences are very similar to Abrams'.
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 05:13 AM UTC
Yet another white wash question (I'm trying to figure out what to build for the White Washed campaign). Would he have white washed his tank?
Thanks for your help!
Thanks for your help!
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 06:57 AM UTC
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Another book that is somewhat of a counter to the Abrams celebrity is Albin Irzyk's "He Rode Up Front for Patton". Irzyk was another Bn commander in the 4AD. His experiences are very similar to Abrams'.
i have to admit i have been tempted to buy Albin Irzyk's easy 8 model .... i am not really a sherman fan, but i would be a liar if i said i wasn't tempted to buy one and give it a shot
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 02:35 AM UTC
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Yet another white wash question (I'm trying to figure out what to build for the White Washed campaign). Would he have white washed his tank?
Thanks for your help!
Anybody know? I've checked the books that I have and can't find out.
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Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 11:55 PM UTC
Sam, if any of his tanks used in the ETO were to be whitewashed it would be Thunderbolt VI, the M4A3(76) used after the battle of Arracourt in the Autumn, and during the push to Bastogne. BUT my reference suggests that the tank was not whitewashed at the time of linking up with the 101st AB at Bastogne, but it was snowing... I'm pretty sure Thunderbolt VII (his M4A3E8) was not whitewashed.
Hope that helps mate
Brad
Hope that helps mate
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 01:27 AM UTC
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Hope that helps mate
Brad
Thanks Brad. It sure does.