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Footman loops on Strykers?
UM83CANES
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 03:01 AM UTC
I would like to add them to my model but I need help with some specifics. Does the army have set standards for where the footman loops should appear on the vehicle, or are they simply affixed piecemeal style by the crew according to what type of stowage the vehicle is carrying? Any idea how many would be approximately accurate? I don’t want to over/under do it.

Anyone have any reference photos clearly showing the footman loops in place?

Thanks,
Noah
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 03:43 PM UTC
They are factory applied (welded) to each vehicle in a set pattern depending on the vehicle type. For Strykers, check out Prime Portal for some pics that show where they are.
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 04:17 PM UTC
Gino, are we talking about the same thing? The tiedown loops are welded on. These are the ones all over the vehicle, including the stowage racks, and are quite tiny and long. The footman loops are the round, flat tiedowns screwed on with the bolts. Sometimes these are even doubled up on a bolt, like many times on the rear roof.

I have not bothered to study the different vehicle photos I have to see if there really is a pattern, but I think there are certain spots you can always count on them being placed, like the rear of the roof, and a number of other places. There already are a number of publications with good close-ups, including Wings and Wheels Publications, the current Military Modelling, Boresight, and now Concord.

Bob
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 04:34 PM UTC
I always thought the wire loops welded to the vehicle were called Footman Loops. I've got M-113 and LAV-III manuals which call them that. I think they were called Footman Loops long before the newer bolt-on strap tie-downs have been around, and the Bradley is were they first started to show up?

Jim
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 04:39 PM UTC

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I always thought the wire loops welded to the vehicle were called Footman Loops. I've got M-113 and LAV-III manuals which call them that. I think they were called Footman Loops long before the newer bolt-on strap tie-downs have been around, and the Bradley is were they first started to show up?

Jim



Ditto to what Jim says. Footmans were originally and are still mainly welded on. The Stryker has some extra ones bolted on too, but I am sure they are in standard locations as well. Nothing is just "simply affixed piecemeal" on military vehicles.
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 07:07 AM UTC
First time posting.
Is this what everyone is calling a footman loop?
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 07:24 AM UTC
Yes, the 'buckle' looking part that is bolted on is called a footman loop or a footman buckle....sometimes just a 'footman' or 'footmen'. These pieces are available in PE form from Eduard's Bradley baggage ties set TP 038 per Gary Owsley (callsign white4). I've also seen and heard of the regular tiedown loops called footman loops as well so there seems to be some duplication on nomanclature going on here....



Bob
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 08:12 AM UTC
Those are them, or at least that’s what I was calling a footman. So Army doesn’t let the crew stick them where needed? Bummer, talk about killjoys
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