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HEADS UP!!! - campaign idea
arkuo14
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 01:15 AM UTC
good day guys!

i dont know if this was ever done before but after reading stuff bout the 'best MBTs in the world' in the armor forum, names like the M1 abrams, british chally 2 and leopard 2A6 came to people's minds.. but how effective would these modern day metal boxes be without the proper crew, air support and artillery support.. im gonna leave the air support stuff with the aeroscale guys.. since this is the armor forum, i came up with the idea of pairing the modern day beasts with the artillery whose always got their backs and success wouldnt be possible for these MBTs without them.. kinda like giving due recognition to these guys who made things possible..

i know its hard to explain so here's an exmaple.. these are the only pairs that i know of.. my military armor knowledge is limited and im clueless if pairs like these were present even during WWII.. tell me what you guys think..




emroglan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 01:58 AM UTC
I think you should state your idea more clearly. What you are aiming is a campaign for vehicles of the same country and same era. One has to be an artillery piece and the other the MBT, as the artillery giving support.

Plus, will you accept MLRS systems as artillery? For example, if you are talking about German modern artillery to support Leopard tanks, you should include Mars Multiple Rocket Launcher Systems as well as the Panzerhaubitze 2000. In addition, will you include only tracked or self-propelled artillery? Will towed artillery on its own be included like a howitzer on its own?

In conclusion, you have a great potential idea for a campaign. However, you need to be more specific as the idea is, ahem, too general... If you submit this campaign and launch it late 2007 (After September or October as a matter of fact) I will gladly join in and give support. You should also be mindful of the beginning and ending dates of the "Father & Son" campaign, as that also requires two vehicles. If you launch it around the same time, people wishing to join two campaigns might back out as four vehicles can be a little too much.
arkuo14
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 02:13 AM UTC
its still a rough idea although there wouldnt be strict limitations regarding tracked, wheeled and even towed artillery.. but each pair has to be from the same era and from the same country.. they should have "fought" together or at least existed in the same time frame coz there are really no major wars today.. but for WWII subjects, the idea of fighting together is a must as the pairs are already battle tested.. for modern subjects that have little to none combat experience, the pair has to at least be from the same era.. i still have no idea for start dates as i am still asking for comments and suggestions..

im actually thinking bout putting an M1A1 and an M270 MLRS..

and im particulary interested with Iraqi MBTs paired up with SCUD launchers.. although towed artillery are also welcome.. im also thinking of putting a 1st gen leopards and a german fieldhaubitze... im still goin to research on the fieldhaubitze's date of service if it is in-sync with the 1st gen leopard..

overall, its just a thought and i must admit its a general and still a vague concept and since my armor knowledge isnt that sharp, especially with WWII subjects, im asking for your ideas if it is a plausible idea..

emroglan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 03:21 AM UTC
Fieldhaubitze basically means field howitzer, so it is more of a general name. Panzerhaubitze 2000, on the other hand, is the latest howitzer on tracks and it is somewhat a late vehicle, more together with Leo2s rather than Leo1s.

You can ask for more specific rules, for example, you can say that the campaigns includes only tracked guns, not towed, you can say that the SPG and the MBT must share the same chassis (Like a Sherman and the Priest Gun), you can say that they must have served in the same country in the same era. I recommend you narrow down the concept and limit it so that it will be a neat campaign idea, the vehicles to be built should have something specific to them.

Depending on the date, I will be in for this one. Think that idea through and let's make it happen!
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 07:02 PM UTC
Hmm... I guess I am in for this one. There are a number of things that should be clarified first.

What about a Panzer IV and a Wespe from WWII. Would they qualify?

What about a BMD-2 fighting vehicle with a SAM-6 as AAA support?

I think there are still a lot of grey areas that are not totally clear to me. How about defining it to:
"A fighting vehicle for direct combat with the enemy and a support vehicle giving indirect fire support against air and/or land targets. Both vehicles must be from the same country and from the same period."

Also maybe people should be allowed to team up to make one entry each to fulfil the teams direct and indirect vehicles? I think a lot of people would be put of by having to enter two vehicles for one campaign.

Just my two Euro cents.
emroglan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 07:48 PM UTC

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I think there are still a lot of grey areas that are not totally clear to me. How about defining it to:
"A fighting vehicle for direct combat with the enemy and a support vehicle giving indirect fire support against air and/or land targets. Both vehicles must be from the same country and from the same period."

Also maybe people should be allowed to team up to make one entry each to fulfil the teams direct and indirect vehicles? I think a lot of people would be put of by having to enter two vehicles for one campaign.


Aaaaah, now there's a good idea I think you should consider Arkuo14.

There was a campaign last year named "Duel in the Skies", where one person offered a plane kit defining operation theater and year, and another person challenged him/her with an enemy plane that possibly fought against that or at least flew in the same period (for modern times). We can think of something similar, people can offer the kits they have and then team up with other people who will build the suitable support vehicle (or vice versa, the suitable MBT).
arkuo14
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 08:21 PM UTC
interesting idea indeed! we could do that.. so modelers could just pick a kit then see who's gonna do the MBT for the frontline and who will watch thier backs.. good idea jesper! it will just matter on who signs up for what kit first.. but that wouldnt be a problem.. i'll just iron out some details and wait for more ideas and our fellow modelers to pitch in.. this will probably start after the father son campaign..
emroglan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 09:19 PM UTC
I like the idea already....

I have several Leo1s, a Leo2, a Paladin SPG, Russian SAM6, Russian Nona (SPG on BMD Chassis) for modern and God knows what for WW2 era, bring it on, I can team up with several people
RichardM
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 01:26 AM UTC
Yupe, nice idea. Still need to be steamlined to make it into an interesting campaign. But you should be able to come up with something with all the ideas that are already coming in.

I really like your picture. If you want to update it to v.2.0 you could also include the following:

French AMX-30 or Leclerc MBT with the AMX-30 AuF1 155mm SPG
(Heller makes the AMX-30 and AMX-30 AuF1 and Tamiya the Leclerc)

Chinese Type98 MBT with the Type83 152mm SPG
(Both from Trumpeter)

tracklink2
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 01:30 AM UTC
I really like this idea.
I've got a Hummel waiting to be built- would I be able to team up with a Panther,Tiger, or Panzer IV.
arkuo14
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 04:16 PM UTC

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Yupe, nice idea. Still need to be steamlined to make it into an interesting campaign. But you should be able to come up with something with all the ideas that are already coming in.

I really like your picture. If you want to update it to v.2.0 you could also include the following:

French AMX-30 or Leclerc MBT with the AMX-30 AuF1 155mm SPG
(Heller makes the AMX-30 and AMX-30 AuF1 and Tamiya the Leclerc)

Chinese Type98 MBT with the Type83 152mm SPG
(Both from Trumpeter)



thanks richard! its actually my desktop wallpaper and i cut the left part of it.. it includes a M2A2 Bradley, a Marder 1A3 and a Warrior..
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 07:33 PM UTC
I got a number of kits for this campaign also. So I will be able to both take the frontline or do the support from behind the front.

Bring it on
CaptainA
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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 02:36 AM UTC

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I really like this idea.
I've got a Hummel waiting to be built- would I be able to team up with a Panther,Tiger, or Panzer IV.


I have the new DML Late Tiger I, If you want to team up. I guess the next logical step, if the campaign is approved, is deciding on unit, location, and time, maybe even figures. I could also do the Panther, a King Tiger, or a Pz. IV J, which are currently waiting patiently in my closet. I guess all we really need now is some air support. So where is the Luftwaffe?
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 07:57 PM UTC

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I really like this idea.
I've got a Hummel waiting to be built- would I be able to team up with a Panther,Tiger, or Panzer IV.


I have the new DML Late Tiger I, If you want to team up. I guess all we really need now is some air support. So where is the Luftwaffe?


I would be ready with my Ostwind to provide some protection from those verdamte JaBos Maybe a triple team then
CaptainA
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Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007 - 07:57 AM UTC
I proposed a Battle Over Europe Campaign on Aeroscale. Maybe we could tie the two together to get some Air Support.

Jesper- Thank for volunteering to keep the Tempests and Thunderbolts off my back. I accept. (How many builds do you have on your desk right now?)

To the powers that be- looks like there is interest in this one.
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:32 PM UTC

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Jesper- Thank for volunteering to keep the Tempests and Thunderbolts off my back. I accept. (How many builds do you have on your desk right now?)


After just finishing my Sturm Tiger I actually only have a Yak-3 and a M113 on my desk right now. Must be a all time low
However, that is going to change in a couple of days as a lot of new campaigns are starting
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