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Dullcoat over Tamiya vinyl tracks?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 09:56 AM UTC
Has anybody applied dull coat to Tamiya vinyl tracks with good results?

Or did it eat them.

Thanks
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:30 AM UTC
I have, but I primed them with Tamiya gray primer first. I can't tell you what Dullcote over polyvinyl would do, but if you prime them you should be safe!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:08 AM UTC
Hi Jeff

Just a note.. Testors Dull cote is a Lacquer based product. I have used it on Tamiya tracks but only over paint.

I have used dull coat on a set of 1/72 hasegawa tracks without painting them first and it basicly ate them.. (made them very brittle and a little melty around the edges)

I would recomend getting more information before spaying dull cote straight on the tracks..

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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:14 AM UTC
Old Tamiya kits had vinyl tracks which will basically survive anything other than heat (the ends of the tracks can only be secured by welding the pins with a heated knife blade). However, Tamiya kits released since 1995 or so have glueable soft plastic tracks which are apparently some kind of vinyl-styrene blend. This material is extremely allergic to enamel and lacquer thinners, and will dry out and crumble within days of exposure. It might be protected by a barrier coat of acrylic paint, but I would be very leery of trying Dullcote on it. I would stick to acrylic clear coats myself.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 11:57 AM UTC
A little got on but not much.

There is a coat of acrylic paint on them plus oil paint so should be alright.

Will keep informed of what happens.

That dull coat is great stuff tho flattened that Future like it was not their after 4 years of not seeing that Wow is the word and dried on the spot great stuff out the air brush.

This is on the M1 I am building.

Thanks all.

Never again with that turning white Acrylic Flats.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 12:13 PM UTC
I use Dullcote on Tamiya tracks all the time and never had any problems, but, like Delbert, only over paint.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 06:43 PM UTC
I used Tamiya's vinyl once and I didn't prime them. I directly painted them with Humbrol and paint and glue sticked on it very well. Anyway, the paint remained sticky for days, but it set completely!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 09:11 PM UTC
I personally use acrylics on any vinyl parts. (and I'm a normal enamels user) "Why take chances" I've had good luck with Badger Aucuflex airbrush paints sticking well, and not flacking off when manipulating the tracks in place. A good scrubbing with good old fashion scouring powder and a toothbrush does wonders before painting.
sgtreef
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:30 PM UTC
That scouring powder sounds good might need to try that.

What about Tooth paste?

Maybe will not remove grease as good as Dawn is what I use.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:35 PM UTC
I'm cheap and old Jeff, Ajax or Old Dutch for me.
Oh forgot to mention, sticking with acrylics, I use Polly S Flat on vinyl tracks.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:53 PM UTC
I've done it before, but only over paint. I don't think the tracks were particularly old.

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Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 07:51 AM UTC
I so rarely use vinyl tracks these days except on american or modern tanks that I almost forgot. I use enamel paint to color them . I don't go out of my way one way or another to spray or avoid spraying dullcoat on them. Never had a problem, but I haven't tackled these new softer style vinyl. I just picked up a set of the new Dragon version that just came out. What is the verdict on these. Can you use enamel paint on these?
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Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:18 PM UTC
Just building my first Dragon tank with DS track, so I don't know if it's safe or not. However, the boards have not been buzzing with angry posts about modeling disasters, so perhaps the Dragon Styrene is less sensitive to thinners than the stuff Tamiya used.
And to repeat, the cautions about Tamiya track plastic apply only to the recent releases. Many older kits (including rereleases) are still out there with true vinyl track, and that stuff is virtually indestructible. I have vinyl tracks I painted with enamels and installed thirty years ago that are just fine.
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2007 - 02:16 AM UTC
Well, this might explain why the tires on my Tamiya Hummer flew the coop recently. I did mist dullcote over the completed model, including the tires, and recently I noticed that the tires were crumbling and literally falling off the rims. I'll have to keep this in mind. I replaced the tires with resin AM ones, but the kit rubber tires looked fine to begin with.
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2007 - 11:49 PM UTC
For as thin a coat that Dull Coat is applied sure is strong stuff.

Even tho I did get a tad on their but as they are painted think I will cover with Tape and 3x5 cards before I shoot the final coat.

Be a *itch to come back and see them falling to pieces.

Has anybody tried the Tamiya Lacquer Thinner?

Supposed to be mild and will not harm plastic.
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