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bazooka
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 01:32 AM UTC
hi there
tried some methods and ended up with this one
hot glue
what ya` think
bazooka


at the end it should look like this
NebLWeffah
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 04:15 AM UTC
Hi Bastian;

I'd have to see the finished figure with the fire stream completed rather than the 'Photoshopped' version you have in the second photo. As it is, I really don't find the effect all that convincing actually.
In reality, the burning fluid stream coming from a flamethrower is actually much longer that you've portrayed. It's under pressure and shoots forward quite far and generally doesn't have fingers of flame licking out at the end.

I hope you realize that I'm just trying to be helpfully critical here and not knocking down your work. You're a brave modeller for attempting to render fire.....flames, smoke and fire are one of the most difficult effects to pull off convincingly and I applaud your efforts for trying. It's not ever been something that I've been able to do.

Having said all this, the technigue you're on to with the hot glue gun might very well have something to it. You've now got a medium that you could drip and sculpt while it's warm and you may be able to form it into a more convincing shape. Keep trying, I think you're onto something here.....



Bob
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:25 PM UTC
That is a very brave enterprise, Bastian, but I think that what Bob is saying makes sense. The flame would not shoot so straight and narrow. For example, see this pic:picture.

Another thing you could do is make his right hand appear to be pulling the lever. It would make it a little more convincing, but could be difficult.

Here is an interesting article I found while looking around.

HTH
slodder
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 11:41 PM UTC
Definitely on to something. You can work on the shape a bit as mentioned.
Honestly, this has the most promise over other flame applications I've seen.

Couple of ideas for you. use some translucent paint (tamiya makes a red and yellow). Paint only the largest area. Then use a match of lighter and 'char' the piece, get it good and suetie almost and also leave some of the clear hot glue natural as your highlights.
Give the impression of flame and let the users mind fill in the rest. Viewers will know what the cannister on his back is and what the flames are supposed to be.

Watch the guys hand too, if you can get it around the trigger. If not, cut off the trigger and replace it with a scratch built version under his fingers.
bazooka
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 02:44 AM UTC
hi there
thanks for the comments and tipps
the thing is that i wanted to capture the moment
of the guy pulling the trigger
itīs my first attempt and i will try out some other methods
i keep you updated
cheers bazooka
goldenpony
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 03:25 AM UTC
I was wondering the same thing, how to simulate a flame thrower doing its business.

Since I was building a kit for the Flame Thorwer campaign, how do you show the tank doing what is was made to do?

steve-o
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 05:47 AM UTC
Hey everyone,

Good, good post! I'm excited that more people are working on this. I too have been trying to replicate fire...and have given up on it 3 times already! here are some pics that might be helpful...(if they don't work check out my gallery photos)





I'm planning on picking it up once again as soon as my 251/16 is finished for the campaign. In an ironic twist, I've been using "Realistic Water" products to try and replicate the flames...it has very similar results to your superglue.

And...keep up the good fight everyone, (I do have the greatest respect for him) But, even the great Steve Zaloga has tried to do this, and his results seem to look very much like Playdough. So, that should tell you how hard this is to do.
zemzero
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 05:56 AM UTC
Looks like an interesting start, a modeler on this site mentioned something about using a clear caulk to make flames, but hot glue might give more flexibility. I'd like to see how this turns out when painted.
CaptainA
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 09:03 AM UTC
I think we might be witnessing model making history. Remember you saw it first here on Armorama.
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