Ok, here is the deal. I have been slowly for the past year or so, working on setting up to produce products to open my own small aftermarket company. Not really into it to make a buncha money as it's not going to happen. I'm not that good at sculpting so for the most part making resin parts is out for now. There is one thing I am great at, and that is graphics. I have plenty of things in my mind for automotive subjects, and have already done a successful test run of Custom Oregon License plates at a local hobby shop in Oregon. They sold very quickly despite the markup.
Anyhow, I am curious as to what some of you think the market is for 1:35 scale propaganda posters? From different countries for different wars? From WWI up to and including modern day? These would be GREAT in diorama's and could definately add that last detail to say it's finished. To give it that something that seems to be missing. Something to make it look complete. These would not be decals. These would be high quality photo or lytho's, precut, and ready to use. They would be reasonable cost with reasonable shipping. Envelope and a stamp can't cost more then 75 cents so that would be the shipipng most likely. I could even produce custom scale sets at a slight increase in cost. Perhaps release them for 1:48 scale and 1:72 scale. The last two would go good with aircraft modelers as well. Of course I would start with WWII Offerings. I plan on doing a test run at the local hobby shop, and online, if I get some positive responses. I'm thinking a pack of 5 or 6 posters for 4 or 5 dollars plus 75 cents shipping charges.
I got this idea because on another forum I am doing a group build for Kursk. I thought it would be interesting to add an anti-Russia propaganda poster to the Marder II interior that I am building, and maybe roll up a few more and stash them in. Since the Germans were expecting victory, it would make sense that a few vehicles brought along some posters to hang up in "liberated" Russia.
Anyhow what does everyone think? Posting this question alot of places.
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 05:31 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 05:56 PM UTC
It's already been done by lots of folks, both small operations and the big companies. Plus, most folks have figured out how to find them on the Internet, download, scale and print decent ones themselves on photo-quality paper. I wouldn't sink a lot into something like this, but you might want to try it on your friends and the local shops -- the local license plates is a great idea; propaganda posters -- unless you have access to copy some rare ones -- is not so good.
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 06:12 PM UTC
Well sad to say most people are lazy. Myself included. My idea is basically to provide something of high quality, at a reasonable cost, useful, and variety. Plus easily obtainable. Many shops use distributors that simply don't carry such thigns because they are big enough companies for them to worry about. I have alot of time finding certain items for that reason. I do have quite alot of propaganda stuff from different sides and different era's. Also it's one of those things, I can produce a few for the local shops, and then have a few more standing by her at home for online orders. I know I wouldn't be the first or the only game in town. If there are more sources for things maybe more people can get what they need. I don't plan to sell to online retailers. Just through LHS, and direct. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the feedback. This would also be just one of the things I might be producing.
While I am at it, what are some of the things detail wise you might be looking for? Not gonna bother with photo etch at this time, but I plan to start some photoetch early next year. Mostly I have access to graphics, and quality printing equipment for making high quality prints. Any idea's would be great. Also plan to produce paper model type versions of details such as ration boxes and the like. Newspapers, period magazines, manuals, etc. These of course would be even cheaper.
Michael
While I am at it, what are some of the things detail wise you might be looking for? Not gonna bother with photo etch at this time, but I plan to start some photoetch early next year. Mostly I have access to graphics, and quality printing equipment for making high quality prints. Any idea's would be great. Also plan to produce paper model type versions of details such as ration boxes and the like. Newspapers, period magazines, manuals, etc. These of course would be even cheaper.
Michael
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 08:56 PM UTC
i would like to see some waffen ss propaganda posters used in Norway and Denmark in 1/35.and maybe more german "civillian" stuff as magazines,books and newspapers..
Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 09:04 PM UTC
Hi Michael,
Two things you might want to look into are wallpaper, in the appropriate patterns and in scale, and paintings and family type photographs. Curtains is another one, on the right type of paper, soaked in PVA glue, they can be convincing, and add just that touch that completes a building.
Cheers
Henk
Two things you might want to look into are wallpaper, in the appropriate patterns and in scale, and paintings and family type photographs. Curtains is another one, on the right type of paper, soaked in PVA glue, they can be convincing, and add just that touch that completes a building.
Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:18 PM UTC
As stated, posters have been 'done' and are easily accessible to people with a good printer and google.
Now for those who don't or those who go to shows, LHS's etc you've got a market.
Right now the 'hot' scale is 1/48th. Also as mentioned scale is important, wallpaper is often used out of scale, if done well it would be a good product.
Also venture into alternate subjects, calendars, magazines (Time Life, Stars & Stripes, etc)
Also venture into alternate genres, auto's, again, diorama items as mentioned above for garage scenes, or extra items in a cub-side kit.
If it's something you love doing and you're good at, and it's not going to ruin the bank - go for it.
Now for those who don't or those who go to shows, LHS's etc you've got a market.
Right now the 'hot' scale is 1/48th. Also as mentioned scale is important, wallpaper is often used out of scale, if done well it would be a good product.
Also venture into alternate subjects, calendars, magazines (Time Life, Stars & Stripes, etc)
Also venture into alternate genres, auto's, again, diorama items as mentioned above for garage scenes, or extra items in a cub-side kit.
If it's something you love doing and you're good at, and it's not going to ruin the bank - go for it.
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2007 - 10:30 PM UTC
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Anyhow, I am curious as to what some of you think the market is for 1:35 scale propaganda posters? From different countries for different wars? From WWI up to and including modern day?
There seem to be plenty of WW2 posters out (tell me if I'm wrong), but there seems to be a potential market for modern-Vietnam-Korea or maybe WW1 posters.
HTH
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 12:04 AM UTC
I've never had trouble finding decent propaganda posters online and just printed them off on a color printer, cut, applied to building, and then weathered.
Likewise for interior room wallpaper....just go to a dollhouse website and you can usually find something useful.
I wouldn't waste my time with this project. Just do them as you need them for your own projects or for friends or members of a local group, but I'd think it would be more trouble than it's worth to make an online company to do them.
Rob
Likewise for interior room wallpaper....just go to a dollhouse website and you can usually find something useful.
I wouldn't waste my time with this project. Just do them as you need them for your own projects or for friends or members of a local group, but I'd think it would be more trouble than it's worth to make an online company to do them.
Rob
Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 01:01 AM UTC
Unless you have some really unique, odd propaganda posters, or you are offering a deal that can't be turned down (read: lots of posters-real cheap) I would look into some things that aren't readily available such as:
Office type wall calenders
Magazines such as 'LIFE' 'Photoplay' 'and any 'Hollywood' type or gossip magazine of the era.
Cards, money
Diploma type documents for office walls
Book bindings in multiple sizes (all books on the shelve aren't the same size)
Family photos in multiple sizes (some for the wall and some that would be framed and sitting on furniture)
Clock faces (again, multiple sizes)
There is a lot of stuff that could be done that is not available or is next to impossible to find.
Good luck, and whatever you decide to produce, please tell us so we can support your efforts.
Cheers,
Charles
Office type wall calenders
Magazines such as 'LIFE' 'Photoplay' 'and any 'Hollywood' type or gossip magazine of the era.
Cards, money
Diploma type documents for office walls
Book bindings in multiple sizes (all books on the shelve aren't the same size)
Family photos in multiple sizes (some for the wall and some that would be framed and sitting on furniture)
Clock faces (again, multiple sizes)
There is a lot of stuff that could be done that is not available or is next to impossible to find.
Good luck, and whatever you decide to produce, please tell us so we can support your efforts.
Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 05:08 PM UTC
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Many shops use distributors that simply don't carry such thigns because they are big enough companies for them to worry about. I have alot of time finding certain items for that reason.
Shops don't carry them because they don't sell.
Market to the "lazy" modelers? Why will your stuff get to them when the big boys can't?
I suggest you take a few business and marketing courses at your local community college before you invest any money or time into this endeavor.
I have thrown around lots of aftermarket dreams with friends over the past 20+ years of modeling, and we have either opted out before starting or shortly thereafter. It's not worth it unless you have GREAT master makers and fill a void that has been empty for a long time.
Formations Models has done this -- and I envy Rob to no end. See what he has done here: http://www.formationsmodels.com I don't think it was an easy road -- and I know Rob enlisted his entire family to make it happen.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 05:18 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Unless you have some really unique, odd propaganda posters, or you are offering a deal that can't be turned down (read: lots of posters-real cheap) I would look into some things that aren't readily available such as:
Office type wall calenders
Magazines such as 'LIFE' 'Photoplay' 'and any 'Hollywood' type or gossip magazine of the era.
Cards, money
Diploma type documents for office walls
Book bindings in multiple sizes (all books on the shelve aren't the same size)
Family photos in multiple sizes (some for the wall and some that would be framed and sitting on furniture)
Clock faces (again, multiple sizes)
There is a lot of stuff that could be done that is not available or is next to impossible to find.
Good luck, and whatever you decide to produce, please tell us so we can support your efforts.
Cheers,
Charles
Charles: Check out Jim's Printable Minis for most of what you seek, Just scale to size, http://www.printmini.com/printables/pp.shtml
Nice pin-ups and YANK magazine covers here: http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups.html
Enjoy!
Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 09:41 PM UTC
As has already been pointed out you can get most of this stuff of the internet for free already, so I do not really see a market for this, as it is a pretty saturated market.
Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 01:16 AM UTC
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Charles: Check out Jim's Printable Minis for most of what you seek, Just scale to size, http://www.printmini.com/printables/pp.shtml
Nice pin-ups and YANK magazine covers here: http://www.skylighters.org/photos/pinups.html
Enjoy!
Thanks Bob.
I had seen 'Jim's Printable Minis' site but the Pin Up site is new to me and very interesting!
Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 12:11 PM UTC
how about some european road signs for some of the smaller cities and towns. italy for example. just stay away from normandy area signs theres a ton of them out there, some advertising signs [ posters]from all countries would be nice not many of them around. good luck in your endevours
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 04:36 PM UTC
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how about some european road signs for some of the smaller cities and towns. italy for example. just stay away from normandy area signs theres a ton of them out there, some advertising signs [ posters]from all countries would be nice not many of them around. good luck in your endevours
Now that's a good idea. World War II up to modern.
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:40 PM UTC
Well Bob, I do not see the need to take business classes, I am already familiar with with most of it. I'm not really trying to start some big AM company. It's more of a contribution to the hobby. Mainly by making things easily accessable. If I was in it to make money I sure wouldn't go into the modelers aftermarket. I also do venture into other genre's as was mentioned by another person. I have several items ready to go for Auto modelers. I know thigns such as calenders and magazines and such have sold in the past, and did quite well. My only real concern with doing the magazines is the copyright thing. Publishers are really anal about such things and the royalties they are going to want in my experience, would make each scale mag cost more then the price of the real deal.
I was also told the license plates I created would not sell as you can print them off yourself. Nevertheless I did a small run of them, and all but one package sold, and there were requests for more. The LHS had them priced at 3.50 for a package of 3 different plates, 4 of each plate. They sold very quickly.
I don't plan to throw a bunch of time and money into this. It's kind of a spare time deal, and I get things so cheaply, the investment is pretty much minimal. I'll be honest though, I've never really considered soem of the items mentioned for armor or any other military genre. Although I have some of those items in the works for 1:24/1:25 scale for auto modelers, as that has been my foray for many years. I've only completed 2 armor builds to date, and well over a hundred cars over the years. for cars, I also have road signs and such, ready to go. I've listened to alot of people complain the only road signs and such they can find they have to get from the train store and they are out of scale and all for east coast. It is rather apprent that over here, pretty much nobody is supportive of anyone's idea's. Also msot of you seem to take pleasure from bashing on someone and trying to make them feel foolish. Telling me to go take business classes to learn how to run a business? If one had paid attention one would have seen it was not my intention to go into mass production aftermarket to make some big money. My only real concern is to contribute. Tell you what though, for those who have such the harsh words, just give me your names, and when I release products, no matter whether you are interested or not, I will just not sell to you.
As for the rest who have replied. I appreciate the comments. Whether those comments were for or against, or just other suggestions, thanks for being respectful, and understanding what I had in mind. It's so sad that other modelers have to make things unpleasant for others, by throttling them. I think I may just stick to forums where there are more people like us, and less people like them.
I was also told the license plates I created would not sell as you can print them off yourself. Nevertheless I did a small run of them, and all but one package sold, and there were requests for more. The LHS had them priced at 3.50 for a package of 3 different plates, 4 of each plate. They sold very quickly.
I don't plan to throw a bunch of time and money into this. It's kind of a spare time deal, and I get things so cheaply, the investment is pretty much minimal. I'll be honest though, I've never really considered soem of the items mentioned for armor or any other military genre. Although I have some of those items in the works for 1:24/1:25 scale for auto modelers, as that has been my foray for many years. I've only completed 2 armor builds to date, and well over a hundred cars over the years. for cars, I also have road signs and such, ready to go. I've listened to alot of people complain the only road signs and such they can find they have to get from the train store and they are out of scale and all for east coast. It is rather apprent that over here, pretty much nobody is supportive of anyone's idea's. Also msot of you seem to take pleasure from bashing on someone and trying to make them feel foolish. Telling me to go take business classes to learn how to run a business? If one had paid attention one would have seen it was not my intention to go into mass production aftermarket to make some big money. My only real concern is to contribute. Tell you what though, for those who have such the harsh words, just give me your names, and when I release products, no matter whether you are interested or not, I will just not sell to you.
As for the rest who have replied. I appreciate the comments. Whether those comments were for or against, or just other suggestions, thanks for being respectful, and understanding what I had in mind. It's so sad that other modelers have to make things unpleasant for others, by throttling them. I think I may just stick to forums where there are more people like us, and less people like them.
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Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:48 PM UTC
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how about some european road signs for some of the smaller cities and towns. italy for example. just stay away from normandy area signs theres a ton of them out there, some advertising signs [ posters]from all countries would be nice not many of them around. good luck in your endevours
That is a pretty smokin idea really. I've considered that stuff for automotive, but not really for armor. Now that I think about it though, almost anything like that which would work for automotive would definately work in an Armor diorama. Actually would work for anything, even sci-fi, althuogh with sci-fi might have to get a bit more creative. My only question is, would people still be interested if they were close to the real thing as far as advertisements go? Some of the things from back then are now public domain, but others are not. Some copyright holders are cool with it, as it's kind of like free advertising and free publicity for them. Others want so much that the price would have to be so high that nobody would buy it. For instance, would a small poster for Bacarbi Rum as opposed to Bacardi Rum still be acceptable, if permission cannot be obtained? This is the fine line area of fair use, and I think it crosses over that line. I can also make some for "generic" products, where the brand doesn't really exist. In case some of the others on here have driven me off, I will be announcing the start of sale and such at http://360.yahoo.com/fantacmet within the next couple of months. I'm blogging builds and reviews up on that page. Just put it together a couple of days ago. Not going to be limited to armor, but will do a bit of everthing. I have several reviews and photo's ready to go up, just no time. too busy building mostly. That and past 2 weeks have been hectic.
Rev. Michael
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 - 08:57 AM UTC
I would like to see fire-extinguisher WWII Axis and Allies.
Also differnet labels for food, drinks etc.
All of the abouve as waterslide decals.
Cheers
Also differnet labels for food, drinks etc.
All of the abouve as waterslide decals.
Cheers
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 - 11:24 AM UTC
m ichael dont let the naysayers get you down , just do your thing. ive been building dioramas for 30 years and if id had listened to every one who said dont do this or dont do that i would have given up on modeling you just have to do what you think is right. for all the negs, out there my stock reply is BITE ME.
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 - 12:28 PM UTC
Another good idea Toke. I will keep these suggestions in mind, when doing up the artwork.
Thanks for the words John F.
Thanks for the words John F.
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 - 03:03 PM UTC
Michael, I did the same thing last year, not on this forum, but with some folks I knew. I asked what they thought of me opening my own residential fencing business. I pretty much got a unanimous "are you kidding? You'll be broke in a month" repsonse. Well, as it turns out, I had more business than I could handle and had to shut down for a few months to simply catch up, rest, and actually work on my own house. I'm still going strong with my business, and doing well enough that I was able to go out and buy anew truck for the business. Broke my *ss. Just have to be persistant. And, you said you are doing it on the side as a contribution. Good on ya'. If you want to go for it with your ideas, who's to stop you, but you? Now......
What I would like to see are some generic store front signs. "Grocery" "Pharmacy" etc.. you could do these in a variety of languages, fonts and scales, etc. Stop signs, open, closed, Big sale, street names, house numbers etc. etc.etc.. I think something that would look cool, are those ads that were painted on the sides and or roofs of buildings. Maybe you could make masks that would allow the builder to replicate those. Again, various scales, languages etc. Make up some generic cola drink name, toss in a pretty pin-up holding said generic cola, viola', instant poster. You get the idea. Hell, you could get away with trade-mark hassles since you made it up. I think you're onto something good here. Just have to find that niche. Good luck to you. "Q"
What I would like to see are some generic store front signs. "Grocery" "Pharmacy" etc.. you could do these in a variety of languages, fonts and scales, etc. Stop signs, open, closed, Big sale, street names, house numbers etc. etc.etc.. I think something that would look cool, are those ads that were painted on the sides and or roofs of buildings. Maybe you could make masks that would allow the builder to replicate those. Again, various scales, languages etc. Make up some generic cola drink name, toss in a pretty pin-up holding said generic cola, viola', instant poster. You get the idea. Hell, you could get away with trade-mark hassles since you made it up. I think you're onto something good here. Just have to find that niche. Good luck to you. "Q"
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Posted: Monday, July 30, 2007 - 06:17 PM UTC
Michael,
Did you get my email sent last week?
Bob
Did you get my email sent last week?
Bob
Posted: Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 06:03 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Well Bob, I do not see the need to take business classes, I am already familiar with with most of it. I'm not really trying to start some big AM company. It's more of a contribution to the hobby. Mainly by making things easily accessable. If I was in it to make money I sure wouldn't go into the modelers aftermarket. I also do venture into other genre's as was mentioned by another person. I have several items ready to go for Auto modelers. I know thigns such as calenders and magazines and such have sold in the past, and did quite well. My only real concern with doing the magazines is the copyright thing. Publishers are really anal about such things and the royalties they are going to want in my experience, would make each scale mag cost more then the price of the real deal.
I was also told the license plates I created would not sell as you can print them off yourself. Nevertheless I did a small run of them, and all but one package sold, and there were requests for more. The LHS had them priced at 3.50 for a package of 3 different plates, 4 of each plate. They sold very quickly.
I don't plan to throw a bunch of time and money into this. It's kind of a spare time deal, and I get things so cheaply, the investment is pretty much minimal. I'll be honest though, I've never really considered soem of the items mentioned for armor or any other military genre. Although I have some of those items in the works for 1:24/1:25 scale for auto modelers, as that has been my foray for many years. I've only completed 2 armor builds to date, and well over a hundred cars over the years. for cars, I also have road signs and such, ready to go. I've listened to alot of people complain the only road signs and such they can find they have to get from the train store and they are out of scale and all for east coast. It is rather apprent that over here, pretty much nobody is supportive of anyone's idea's. Also msot of you seem to take pleasure from bashing on someone and trying to make them feel foolish. Telling me to go take business classes to learn how to run a business? If one had paid attention one would have seen it was not my intention to go into mass production aftermarket to make some big money. My only real concern is to contribute. Tell you what though, for those who have such the harsh words, just give me your names, and when I release products, no matter whether you are interested or not, I will just not sell to you.
As for the rest who have replied. I appreciate the comments. Whether those comments were for or against, or just other suggestions, thanks for being respectful, and understanding what I had in mind. It's so sad that other modelers have to make things unpleasant for others, by throttling them. I think I may just stick to forums where there are more people like us, and less people like them.
mike,
i have been reading alot of forums in the past 2yrs.if may add my 2cents to all of this is,do what you think is right.some will not like your ideas but i think is great.almost every sign,poster,etc.is geared for the most famous battles.i think we need something for just everday times like you said propamamy in the tanks to she yourside is better is agood idea,count me in when you start offering your product,i will buy.
cheers bruce
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Posted: Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 06:16 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments, I will come back to this thread and let everyone know when I've got something setup. Should be soon. First products I'm going to put on ebay to see how they go. Should be early next week. Robert I am afraid I did not get your email. Try resend it to fantacmet at gmail dot com.