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Chinese KMT Pzkfw 1 tanks-A or B?
long_tom
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 02:31 PM UTC
My Osprey book about armor in the Pacific region during WW2 says on one page that the Chinese Nationalists had ten Pzkfw 1 ausf. A tanks from Germany, but other pages say it is the B version. Yet a drawing of a sample tank depicts one with an obvious A version suspension. So I take it that the A version description is the correct one?
Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 07:42 PM UTC
I have seen a picture of a chinese Pz. I ausf. A on this site although I cannot find it anymore. So yes, the Chinese Pz. I would have been the A version.
lquah
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 01:45 AM UTC
Tom
Only PzKpfw I Ausf A's were sold to China and all photos I have seen of Chinese PzKpfw I's are Ausf A's.
Lawrence
Only PzKpfw I Ausf A's were sold to China and all photos I have seen of Chinese PzKpfw I's are Ausf A's.
Lawrence
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 05:39 AM UTC
Thanks, I figured as such, but confirmation doesn't hurt.
In fact, the DML Pzkpfw 1 that I have now I was originally planning to use in German service, but I find the idea of using that tank in Chinese service far more intriguing!
If only now I can learn where to obtain a KMT tanker figure, as well as figure out how to buy or create the sunburst markings...
In fact, the DML Pzkpfw 1 that I have now I was originally planning to use in German service, but I find the idea of using that tank in Chinese service far more intriguing!
If only now I can learn where to obtain a KMT tanker figure, as well as figure out how to buy or create the sunburst markings...
lquah
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 01:55 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks, I figured as such, but confirmation doesn't hurt.
In fact, the DML Pzkpfw 1 that I have now I was originally planning to use in German service, but I find the idea of using that tank in Chinese service far more intriguing!
If only now I can learn where to obtain a KMT tanker figure, as well as figure out how to buy or create the sunburst markings...
Tom
Warrior makes the figures you need
Early War Chinese Tankers
Bison Decals have the decals for a Chinese PzKpfw I
Bison Decals
I am however not convinced that they were painted in 3 tone camo.
Have a look at this excellent build of a Chinese PzKpfw I Ausf A by Paul Abbott. There's some good pics there and discussion on the paint scheme.
Paul Abbot's Chinese PzKpfw I Ausf A
Have fun in your build
Lawrence
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 03:48 PM UTC
Thank you so much!
Actually, I assumed the tank would be solid grey, and the 3-tone was German use only. Don't worry, I've painted nothing yet.
Actually, I assumed the tank would be solid grey, and the 3-tone was German use only. Don't worry, I've painted nothing yet.
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 04:05 AM UTC
Ok, I realise I might be making a stupid comment by saying this,
but surely China was fighting against Japan, Germany's allies, and so why exactly would Germany supply them with tanks?
Cheers,
James
but surely China was fighting against Japan, Germany's allies, and so why exactly would Germany supply them with tanks?
Cheers,
James
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 04:08 AM UTC
Or where the Chinese nationalists fighting as Japans allies?
James
James
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 04:59 AM UTC
James
The Second Sino Japanese War was fought between the KMT and Japan. China at that time loosely ruled by the KMT and independent warlords.
China's relations with Germany had been a "love-hate" relationship. China actually declared war against Germany in 1917. Relations with China did not improve significantly until the Nazi Party came into power in 1933and Germany looked to China as an important source of raw materials for their military expansion. As part of the deal, Germany would provide assistance in China's economic and military development.
However, this co-operation did not last long and ended with the outbreak of the Second Sino Japanese War when Japan launched a full scale war against China. Hitler had chosen Japan to be their ally in their fight against Bolshevism and that obviously didn't sit too well with the Chinese.
More in-depth information can be found here
Sino-German cooperation
Second Sino-Japanese War
Lawrence
The Second Sino Japanese War was fought between the KMT and Japan. China at that time loosely ruled by the KMT and independent warlords.
China's relations with Germany had been a "love-hate" relationship. China actually declared war against Germany in 1917. Relations with China did not improve significantly until the Nazi Party came into power in 1933and Germany looked to China as an important source of raw materials for their military expansion. As part of the deal, Germany would provide assistance in China's economic and military development.
However, this co-operation did not last long and ended with the outbreak of the Second Sino Japanese War when Japan launched a full scale war against China. Hitler had chosen Japan to be their ally in their fight against Bolshevism and that obviously didn't sit too well with the Chinese.
More in-depth information can be found here
Sino-German cooperation
Second Sino-Japanese War
Lawrence
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 06:14 AM UTC
Interestingly, some of the Chinese Nationalist pilots took advanced fighter pilot training in Germany. One of those was was "Art" Chin, an American born Chinese pilot who obtained 'ace' status flying primarily Gloster Gladiators before the AVG was formed.
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/china_chin.htm
Mike T.
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/china_chin.htm
Mike T.