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Spider Webs ?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 08:38 PM UTC
Hi everyone,

I need a receipe to simulate spider webs in 1/35 (you know where i am going to put them in )
I have heard of Lacquer sprayed through an airbrush, but first tests were unsuccesfull.
Any proven method out there?
Thanks for your help

Claude
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 09:10 PM UTC
I remember reading something about this long ago, I think tube glue was used. You know the cheap rubbish glue that comes with some kits? That is rather stringy. I think it was applied as a small bead in a corner, and after a few moments (depending on the glue) after it has started drying, it as 'strung' into position with a pin (needle).

Talking of, don't forget bats.... ;-)

Cheers
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 11:43 PM UTC
Spider webs would, I think, be invisible in 1/35. If you are thinking of the build up of cobwebs and dust that you see in attics I still don't think anything in 1/35 would read as spider webs.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:18 AM UTC
You're best bet would likely be small amounts of the Christmas tree decorating product callled Angel Hair.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:23 AM UTC
You can experiment with hot glue too. Streatch it a lot as it heats up.
roudeleiw
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:32 AM UTC
Yes guys, you are probacly correct about the scale. I saw convincing dios with cob webs, but that was 1:9 scale.

I already tried the glue method. It might work, but, strictly calculated, they are out of scale, and hey, i have an attic to fill bigger than some peoples whole dios, so imagine the task!


Still open to any idea.

Thanks to you

Claude

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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 06:06 AM UTC
Well im thinking what you could do is find some of that fake Spider web stuff they have at Halloween time, you can stretch it and all sorts of cool stuff, probably even stretch it to 1/35th scale.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 08:55 AM UTC
it's simple, I've done it many times, all you have to do is: genetically engineer a spider so it is 1/35 scale, then place approriately on the dio, and have it spin its web. A very easy technique.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 02:53 PM UTC
Scale asides it is an interesting challenge to reproduce spider webs. Glue was my first thought as well. The glue, UHU can get a bit stringy. The other crazy thought was candy floss. Not sure if the sugar will stay undisturbed by the crawlies though and getting it to a web pattern is difficult.

The other crazy thought is seperating out some fibres from cotton balls. Tedious but they start off white.
roudeleiw
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 05:54 PM UTC
Good morning,
Very interesting ideas presented here.
@William , no problem with the generic 1/35 spider, but how would they do to catch 1/35 flies. That is the real problem ! :-)

Here is the roof i would like to look a bit older and full of cob webs


The glue method is undoable. Perhaps for one single net. But not here.
Access to the deepest part of the roof, it is 30 cm deep , isn't easy anymore.
The coton fiber thing is very interesting. Syntethic fibres could do it also.
(if scalewise it looks correct)
I will check that
Thank you
Cheers
Claude
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 07:09 PM UTC
In addition to the earlier cotton ball fibres here's another even more crazy idea Claude in case my suggestion on the cotton balls doesn't work out.

How about real spider webs. The material of real webs are pretty hardy and as long as you keep them away from water and wind they may last. Along the same lines, certain insects spin a fine silk cocoon to protect their eggs found usually under leaves. The ones I've seen will definitely fit 1/35th. If you have easy access to parks/gardens and such and the time it may be worth a try. I've seen a few in the tropics over here being no entomologist I can't really say what insects they came from.

Happy Hunting.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:49 PM UTC
As I read back over this I thought of using hair spray to help with the Candi floss or the real spider webs. Get a web out of either and spray it lightly with hairspray which should add a sealer and protect the structure a bit more.
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 - 12:07 AM UTC
have you tried spraying some surfacer 1000 (or 500) through an airbrush with very little thinner? the stuff dries up in midair before they hit the model and the result is spider web looking - not entirely sure if its to scale and the color would be grayish - so perhaps some white lacquer paint? or some tamiya white primer instead?

would be interesting to see your results

the other i was thinking was to actually force a spider to live in that piece for a while - again not entirely sure if you can do this
roudeleiw
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 - 12:59 AM UTC
These are some inetresting idea!
Candy floss, i had to lookup that word in a dict, i suspect it will melt in the heat of an expo room.
And you are seriously thinking that i am going to retrieve real spider webs out of the corners of my cellar and put them in the attic of the castle.
I think i will do without them then.
The method with the Surfacer stuff is basically the same principe than to spray the varnish through the airbrush. I called it lacquer in my first post, sorry.
I will insisting a bit on that and see what i can get without destroying the airbrush. Need to play a bit on pressure and thinning.

Thank you

Claude
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