Knock knock who's there - Pz IV diorama
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 09:23 PM UTC
Hi guys,
First post though I've been lurking a while.
My main interest up until now has been aircraft but secretly I've been adding some tanks and figures to my collection. This really didn't catch on properly until armour started appearing by the numbers in 1:48. Perfect. You can combine it with aircraft if you want and also one might not have to be so detailed as in 1:35. In theory.
Anyroads, I'm a big fan of the After the Battle series. And looking through the Falaise pocket issue this picture caught my eye.
This is what it looked like in the '70s:
I ended up tweaking the pic in photoshop to get the proportions right,
then I drew various coloured rectangles on top of the pic to establish what kinds of plasticard and strips that would be needed for the house. At the time I thought the shop was "L'Arconnerie", which apparently should be a saddlemaker, but this was soon pointed out to in fact be a shoe-shop. Cordonnerie. So much for my French.
I printed the sketch out in 1:48 scale and then proceeded to assemble various plastic strips and OO scale walls on top of the paper.
And here's what I ended up with:
Thessaloniki, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 09:31 PM UTC
very impressive
what are using for construction-only plasticard?
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 09:32 PM UTC
Moving on to the tank itself there has been several discussions whether this is an H or a J. None of the really distinguishabel features are showing so from the experts I've heard that it could be this or that. I opt for the J since that means I can use the 1:48 Tamiya kit OOB. Well, I got the Voyager set for it which lead to a Turm Schürtzen Zimmerit discussion but I've settled that by adding the zimmerit already. A decision was needed. A few more in progress pics:
Gizmology. Say goodbye to an old Tamiya 1:35 Harley Davidson:
A feel of what the dio's going to look like.
It will be a very simple one, with just a couple of figures added. I was a bit worried about the position of the tank itself but then this picture appeared over on M-L. Not sure of the source.
After this I've added some PE zimmerit and other stuff. Drilled out all the holes in the track guide teeth.
And that's where it stands. Not really sure what the base is going to be like, but rather compact to focus on the breaking in and entering theme would be in order don't you find?
Any feedback is appreciated. Any.
Regards,
Kyrre,
Sola, Norway.
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 09:34 PM UTC
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very impressive
what are using for construction-only plasticard?
Thanks Petros,
I have gathered a wee collection of plasticard and various plstic walls and roofs and such. Typical railroad stuff.
With time I'm sure I'll move on to carving my own walls but for now these plastic things will do.
Barcelona, Spain / España
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:12 PM UTC
Hello,
Nice project you have in mind.
And a pretty good start apparently.
If I may permit one comment : the store name is not "l'argonnerie", but "coordonnerie", which is the generic name in french for the guy who repair shoes. it could be an addition to your story, if you scuplt shoes in putty fallen of the front glass. The women on the pictures could have taken a pair of shoes...
Best,
Julien
http://leroyaumedekinggeorges.blogspot.fr/
Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:32 PM UTC
Very good work Kyrre. and the great thing is that in this scale it won't take up too much space. I'm slowly coming around to the attractions of 1/48 scale armour
Pat
work to become not to acquire
North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 11:58 PM UTC
I absolutely love the 'process' you're sharing here. Showing us the way you're doing things is such a help. Thank you.
The techniques are producing great pieces too.
This thread could easily become a build feature.
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 12:41 AM UTC
Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback.
Julien, my shop-name was already pointed out to me by another Frenchman (and it says so in the text
) but I thought I'd just show the initial sketch anyway. The shoe-maker is one of the figures I'll be putting into the diorama. Most likely I'll end up with him and some innocent female bystander who will be at the receiving end of his frustration.
Another sketch I did
Scott, thanks for the vote of confidence. Let's see how this turns out before we talk about wider publication. I don't think the diorama is going to be too exciting. And besides what it needs to be finished.
North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 01:11 AM UTC
WOW! I think this is turning out great! I think we have travelled the same path. I am an aircraft guy who has taken an interest in armor especially the 48th scale stuff. keep us posted and good work.
"There is no avoiding war, it can only be postponed to the advantage of others."
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly."
"Better to restrain a noble horse than prod a reluctant mule."
Luxembourg
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 04:15 AM UTC
Hi,
this is very interesting.
You did a good job on the building. If that's your first building, your future attempts will be worth to watch
Cheers
Claude
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 07:36 AM UTC
Thanks guys,
Another first, I've been adding PE zimmerit. And since I thought the stanchions for the Turm Schürtzen were too thick in the kit I made new ones from brass strips. Possibly not what they looked like in real life but hey ho that's modeling. A first for everything.
I realised after I'd glued everything up I need to punch an entryhole in the rear skirt. Wish me luck.
Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 07:48 AM UTC
Hmm... does this look like pA to you
Good to see you branching out non the less to a place were your subject matter won't constantly be demeaned by being referred to as "target"
United Kingdom
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 08:57 AM UTC
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Hmm... does this look like pA to you
Good to see you branching out non the less to a place were your subject matter won't constantly be demeaned by being referred to as "target"
What does this statement mean ?
England - South West, United Kingdom
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 09:18 AM UTC
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Hmm... does this look like pA to you
Good to see you branching out non the less to a place were your subject matter won't constantly be demeaned by being referred to as "target"
What does this statement mean ?
It is an attempt at 'humor' by those suffering from the affliction of building 'wingy-thingz'...They seem to consider all non-aeroplane models to be targets..
One of these usually keeps them quiet...
All in the best possible taste of course.. he, some of my best friends build wingy-thingz..
The early bird may catch the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese...
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 09:19 AM UTC
Ah, a little internal joke really.
James invited me over to Planetarmor and I ended up here. Kind of by mistake, but then I have been lurking a while and like the fact that there's a dedicated dioramaforum.
As for the "target" we've both been hanging out in a place where some people are kind of narrow minded. And in their nerdiness they can't refer to tanks as anything but "targets".
So that's that. I'll be over your way as well James.
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 09:52 AM UTC
Thanks for the explanation. They get everywhere (the nerds) and ultimately forget what this is all about, modelling, enjoying yourself and having fun.
I bet most of them don't even end up making anything. Give me a a good "story" told and realism to a scene over boring but 100% accurate model anyday.
The recent small dio of the Russian sniper hiding behind the crashed tail of a plane shown here recently is a good example of what I mean.
The nerds would be quick to point out the inaccuracies in this, masking their enjoyment of a great little scene, well put together, and something a little different to the " abandoned tank/amoured car/truck with troops marching by" scenes so often displayed.
No disrespect to anybody doing a scene like that by the way, want to do several which you could describe like that myself in the future. Just nice to see something different, like this little scene.
Shaping up well. Good luck with it.
Happy Modelling
Alan
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 10:26 AM UTC
Work's been slow lately but that's how it is. I also find working with etched metal tedious, all the little fiddly bits.
Got most of the fixtures in place and painted just about everything Tamiya XF-10 Dark Brown (first colour that appeared when opening the drawer) for shadows and basecoat on the tracks. Then I made a mix of Dark Yellow, Desert Yellow and a few drops of white. This was sprayed on with various intensity followed by an overall dusting. Then I mixed some XF-58 Olive Green into the cup for the camo green. This was sprayed in a crisscross pattern while the Schürtzen were sprayed a tad more densely.
From the top. This is highly conjectural but I always wanted to make such a pattern. And do remember that this is my first ever tank that got past the initial glueing stage..
Slowly slowly I've drilled a hole in the etched metal with an Xacto. Luckily the metal didn't get bent out of shape. The attachment points aren't really strong, it's only superglue.
Next up filters, washing and some drybrushing I guess.
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 01:19 PM UTC
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Gizmology. Say goodbye to an old Tamiya 1:35 Harley Davidson:
hmmm, if I am not mistaken Tamiya 1:35 Harley Davidson is kinda rare!
heheh, anyway...great stuff!! I remember back in the days when tamiya first issued their new series of 1/48 armor - much to the dismay of 1/35 armor fans...
but glad to have you onboard the armor/diorama forum
looking forward to this one!
now for some comic relief:
http://www.mv.com/users/ctwilkes/Hans/Hans_trans.html 
might generate some ideas?
my store
http://o3dminiatures.com/
Texas, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 01:45 PM UTC
What in the world are they saying
the part with Hitler shooting himself is great. ecspecially the expression on his face
Oh yeah nice build so far.
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Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 05:50 PM UTC
Heh. Made some more sense when you read the translation.
The Harley Davidson was built when I was the age of 12 i believe. Lots of crisp tube-glue all around.
The hawg was found at the bottom of the spares-box. Maybe I should have put it on E-bay?
Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:41 PM UTC
I have long been a fan of Hayao Miazaki. He has made many great films over the years. Never expected his work to pop up here.
It seemed she viewed guys on the same level as potatoes.
-Kyon
North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:39 AM UTC
The tank is coming along well. I wouldn't be concerned with the camo scheme, the Germans had a really wide variety of schemes. It was left up to the individual units.
North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 02:50 AM UTC
LOL!!!!! NICE ONE That'll shut em up!
"There is no avoiding war, it can only be postponed to the advantage of others."
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly."
"Better to restrain a noble horse than prod a reluctant mule."
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 08:40 AM UTC
Okaydokey.
Been playing with various techniques to dirty up this thing. Pigment wash, humbrol wash, drybrushing, a bit of dry pastelbrushing.
More wash on the tracks and quite a bit of post-shadowing with pastels is the plan. Apart from that I appreciate all input. Give it to me.
Edit: I used Agama Steel paste on the track and it was aaaall to stark and shiney. So I'll have to start over again, drybrushing with some darker metallic stuff. And then some rust and dust.
Rogaland, Norway
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Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 07:13 AM UTC
haha. Found some letters for the "R GRIMBERT" below "Cordonnerie"
And a pic for size.
