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Dioramas: Techniques
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ToonArmy
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 01:31 PM UTC
Hi.... how do you make your own flag ? I mean like those red-flags on German WWII building, or this flag here ?

I tried using kitchen alumunium foil (the one for oven), but it tears easily..

Linz
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 06:06 PM UTC
Use either aluminium foil or tissue soaked in PVA glue, but either way treat it _very_ gently, as they tend to be quite fragile :-)

Cheers,
Linz
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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 06:11 PM UTC
The best flags I've ever seen are made with Archer transfers: [url]http://www.archertransfers.com/catFLAGS.html[url]

Put them on foil and they Rock.
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:40 AM UTC
I don't know for certain but I think the flag here is a Verlinden aftermarket resin deal. You can see something really similar in this picture. Might be one alternative...

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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:53 AM UTC
well TOON, most of my flags are archer dry transfers over thin lead foil. I buy the techstar stuff, but i can't remember for the life of me the thickness. as far as cloth flags go I'd check with alexander the great models, they have a full line of cloth flags for the modeller, i havn't yet used them but have heard good things!!! stug
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:04 AM UTC
Regular aluminum foil is delicate. You may try the foil cover on Yogurt containers. They are thicker and more sturdy.
scoccia
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 04:59 AM UTC
Try to use lead foil, the one you find around the neck of wine bottles...
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 05:10 AM UTC
In winebottles is the solution. At least around their neck. If you decide to paint rather than use transfers, don't forget to primer well.

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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:39 AM UTC
Another option you might try is the transparant plastic kitchen foil that you use to seal containers with food leftovers to save them for a longer time.
The stuff is static as hell but it bends easily, you can cut it easily, and you can paint it easily really good stuff


PLMP110
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2003 - 12:29 PM UTC
I use aluminum foil, painted white. Then mask the center with an appropriate sized coin. Then find the appropriate sized swastika decal in 1/48 scale aircraft decals. Place the decal in the center. Viola........

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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2003 - 08:17 PM UTC
I'll try using alumunium foil again then. Thanks guys !
Red4
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 10:36 PM UTC
Toon,
Another method that can be used is ti use two part epoxy putty. I use Magic Scuplt. Use a piece of glass and something to roll it out with. Baby powder will keep the putty from sticking to the glass and the rolling pin. It can be rolled out extremely thin. After it sets up a little while it becomes firm enough to shape into the desired drape/hang that you want. Once it dries completely it can be painted and decaled like anything else. Have been using this method for years and it works great.
Same method can also be used for making tarps, blankets, bed rolls etc. Very easy to do. HTH "Q"
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 12:17 AM UTC
Archer transfers on lead foil is probably the best method when there is an Archer transfer the right size and design. However, for more obscure flags, this is what I do.

Find a good clean reference on line on in a book. Scan or download it to the computer. Use your photo editor to clean it up. If both sides will be visible, make a copy and reverse it. Now copy it to the original at the side that would be closest to the staff. and save it as a jpg. Import it to your word program as clip art and resize it to what you need and print it. Regular white typing paper will do. The better the printer, the better the image. Let the ink dry completely then seal it with MicroScale Decal film/saver. When this is dry, cut it out and fold it sharply in half. Apply thinned white glue to the back side. This will soften the paper and allow you to drape the flag naturally. Fold it closed or drae it as you want and smooth out the folds. AS the glue dries, you will have a nice, stiff flag that looks real. :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 03:15 AM UTC
Another technique that's never used by anyone that I know of but me is to use Kleenex and sprue disolved in plastic cement to the consistency of skim milk. You cut out the tissue in the shape you want and (using a cheap brush) brush on the sprue mixture and create folds in Kleenex to simulate the cloth (in this case a flag.) After letting it set up for about 6-10 hours and giving the cement in the mixture a chance to evaporate, you apply an additional 4 to 6 coats of the dissolved sprue (again waiting the 6-10 hours or so in between coats) and you wind up with realistic scale cloth.

This is the technique Ray Anderson used for clothing in his custom dioramas and can be used for simulating any cloth-like...well...anything. The nice thing about this particular technique is you can simulate waving flags, clothes blowing in the wind, and anyting else you can imagine. The Kleenex is basically a frame for the plastic.

I know most people will choose not to use this technique because of the time involved (most people like to get things finished quickly) and the time investment needed to learn a new technique, but I like to mention it as often as I can in the hope that someone will try it out, find it useful, and actually use it in their projects.

Just popping off...
houdini
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Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 02:41 PM UTC
hi i used masking tape; i cut it then i painted it and then i cut out the nazi swastica from the tamiya german machine gun troops (infantry) figure set and sence it was stiff cardboard i carefully cut it in half and glued it onto the tape
hope that helps

matthew
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Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 01:18 AM UTC
Hi Guys

I produce a full range of German WW2 flags

ED0050 German Flags WW2 - 1
ED0051 German Flags WW2 - 2
ED0053 German Flags WW2 ( Battle Damaged )
ED0132 German Naval Flags WW2
ED0133 German Police Flags 1
ED0134 German SS Flags
ED0135 German Field Marshalls Flags
ED0136 German Police Flags 2
ED0137 German Police Flags 3
ed0195 German Afrika Korps Flags
ED0197 Fuhrer Standard Flags
ED0198 NS DAP Nazi Flags
ED0199 Luftwaffe Flags

http://www.extradetail.com


Here is also a link to a review that TERRY ASHLEY has done on my products.

http://pmms.webace.com.au/reviews/vehicles/extradetail/ed_printed.htm

Thanks
Graham Lawler
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Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 03:54 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Another option you might try is the transparant plastic kitchen foil that you use to seal containers with food leftovers to save them for a longer time.
The stuff is static as hell but it bends easily, you can cut it easily, and you can paint it easily really good stuff





well I used it but don't forget to prime, Last time i used it for a plastic sheet the paint came off when i started to put my pastels on it
but still I think for a flag on an vehicle it is the best stuff to use.
You can fold it verry nicely because it is self sticking.
Just try it out
Pnzr-Cmdr
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 10:58 AM UTC
how do you size it to scale... 1/35 for example. anyone have measurements?
Thanks
ModlrMike
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:05 AM UTC
In 1/35 scale a 3x6 foot flag would be 2.6x5.2 cm.
Mar-74
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 07:48 PM UTC
Ive been thinking about this recentley and heres my idea, havent tried it so i dont know if it will work yet but i think it will.
1. find the flag that you want to make on the net.
2. Save a copy of it on your pc.
3. Buy some iron on transfer paper..
4. Print the flag on to the transfer paper.
5. Iron on the flag to the appropraiate coloured material. ( i think this would need to be a thin cotton type material).
6. Cut round the flag with sharp scissors
7. Finally add the flag to your dio, vehicle etc.

I think this would work, but havent tried it as yet. If you try it before me please let me know.
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Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:01 AM UTC
What flag? A cloth one or a solid one? If your doing a solid one, try printing it from the computer. Do not use ordinary paper but use photo paper. Or try making a stencil and use it to spray your flag.
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