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New IS-2 from... Tamiya
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 10:27 AM UTC
According to the announcement here, and apparently confirmed here, Tamiya will soon be gracing us with a new-tool IS-2!

(No pics at the Tamiya link, yet)

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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:05 AM UTC
yeah!!!

I think tamiya are moving in the right direction with some of their releases, they know they cannot compete with dragon on the same level.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:32 AM UTC
I agree, great choice but Dragon is also releasing a reworked Premium Edition IS-2 very soon as well and this will be the first head-to-head kit release from these two manufacturers in a very long time.

I disagree about Tamiya holding up against Dragon kits, the Char B1 bis and Hetzer are as good as anything made in 1/35 plastic. They may not be as frequent with their new releases but each one in the past few years has been a real joy to build. I can't say the same for all of Dragon recent efforts even though they have made some brilliant strides forward.

Best,

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:45 AM UTC

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they know they cannot compete with dragon on the same level.



I have to disagree with this. The only area Tamiya can't (seem to) compete with Dragon is in frequency. And in that respect, you have to remember that the majority of Tamiya's business is actually in the R/C market. We modelers (especially here in the U.S.) are actually a pretty small part of their demographic.

Don't get me wrong, I love Dragon's kits. I have tons of them that I'm sure I'll build "any day now" . BUT, as Mike pointed out, whenever you find yourself thinking that Dragon is pulling ahead, they drop a bomb like the Char B1 or the Challenger II.

They're like the old guy sitting the back of the bar in those '70's kung-fu movies. Quietly watching all the younger up-and-comers fight it out and bruise each other, until someone makes the mistake of taking a swing at him. At which point hands them their ass .

Randy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:07 PM UTC
Tamiya is more likely just doing their own thing and not trying to compete with DML/Trumpeter/AFV Club. They do what they like and what sells. They don't CARE what the others are doing.

I am sure Tamiya's JS-II will be expensive and have some simplification problems. But I will still consider buying it like I do all their kits just for the joy of building a Tamiya kit. Does not mean I will build it for a competition though, which is a pity considering the amount of money that is needed to buy and detail one...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 06:00 PM UTC

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I agree, great choice but Dragon is also releasing a reworked Premium Edition IS-2 very soon as well and this will be the first head-to-head kit release from these two manufacturers in a very long time.



Reworked is the key word here, they will have to bring a nice but flawed kit from more than ten years ago up to the standards of a brand new tool one?

I think they'd better start from scratch again... Or maybe it will be another kit announced but never released like the Ersatz Panther, SdKfz 252, etc...

I'm very excited by this Tamiya release!

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 07:14 PM UTC
Hi,

I'm very excited about that announcment, too. I just finished Tamiyas Me-262 (ready for painting) as a OOB-project and it's always fun to experience tamiyas engineering standard on their recent kits.
And what I like most is their policy of announcment and releases. Just count the "what if"-AFV in their product range! For me, I'm annoyed by DML's (and trumpeters) policy of announcing IS-2/BMP-3/T-62 or MAZ and releasing highly hypothetical stuff like E-100 and delaying their other kits!

So let's see what Mr. T will serve. (And what other projects DML will find to release before their JS-2)

Volker
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Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 08:15 PM UTC

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According to the announcement here, and apparently confirmed here, Tamiya will soon be gracing us with a new-tool IS-2!



Well, let me just clarify something here - Pat's source for the news story was the OFFICIAL Tamiya site. There wasn't any speculation on his part. Nor, and please forgive me for splitting-hairs here, but the personal thoughts added by Pat turn it into a News Story, not just a simple press-statement or announcement.

Chicken and Egg i'm afraid - Pat checks the source and then writes the story..
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Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 08:50 AM UTC

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According to the announcement here, and apparently confirmed here, Tamiya will soon be gracing us with a new-tool IS-2!



Well, let me just clarify something here - Pat's source for the news story was the OFFICIAL Tamiya site. There wasn't any speculation on his part. Nor, and please forgive me for splitting-hairs here, but the personal thoughts added by Pat turn it into a News Story, not just a simple press-statement or announcement.
Chicken and Egg i'm afraid - Pat checks the source and then writes the story..


That's the problem, it doesn't say it will be new tool on official site. Tamiya may release Italery/Zvezda vesrion just as they did with Autobila armored cars or 1/72 Ju-88A4 or Ju-87( what a rip!!!!) at nearly twice the price of original kit. But if they do make it all new-tool and accurate then most of us will have get another credit to buy it, any major retailers want to start issuing credit cards or have finance plans for Japanese kits yet ?
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Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 09:27 AM UTC

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Tamiya may release Italery/Zvezda vesrion just as they did with Autobila armored cars



Tamiya reboxes Italeri (for its home market principally) but has NEVER reboxed any Italeri/Zvezda AFVs. This is a completely new moulding...
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Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 02:13 PM UTC
Hope you are correct Jim and they are not "breaking new ground"...
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Posted: Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 03:43 PM UTC

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yeah!!!

I think tamiya are moving in the right direction with some of their releases, they know they cannot compete with dragon on the same level.



I think Tamiya are perfectly capable of competing with Dragon head-to-head if they had such a desire, but that is not their business model.
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 06:55 PM UTC
From the Tamiya USA website :


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Russian Heavy Tank JS-2 Model - 1944 ChKZ
Item #35289 (COMING SOON)

About the JS-2
Designed as a breakthrough tank with armor that could withstand the fearsome German 88mm gun and an armament that could take on the Tiger and Panther tanks, the JS-2 (named after Joseph Stalin, IS-2 Iosif Stalin in the original Russian) entered service in 1944. Armed with a massive A-19 122mm main gun and up to 120mm of armor in vital areas, the JS-2 was a very formidable weapon that was better in every way than its predecessor, the KV-1. The Model 1944 is easily distinguished by its unique muzzle brake and sloped front glacis armor.

About the Model
# 1/35 scale assembly model kit of the Russian Heavy Tank JS-2 Model 1944 ChKZ.
# Powerful form of the heavy tank is accurately reproduced.
# Thorough research have resulted in precise reproductions of the muzzle brake, sloped front glacis, and other parts unique to the Model 1944.
# Photo-etched parts included to depict engine intake grille for added detail.
# Both belt-type and assembly-type tracks included to provide more build options for modelers.
# 1 commander figure and 1 loader torso figure included.
# The perfect addition to a display of Tamiya 1/35 scale Russian tanks or line it up against some of Tamiya's 1/35 scale German AFVs.



Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 07:03 PM UTC
Phew, so it is a new tool. Start saving up I guess.
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Posted: Monday, September 17, 2007 - 01:03 AM UTC

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Tamiya may release Italery/Zvezda vesrion just as they did with Autobila armored cars



Tamiya reboxes Italeri (for its home market principally) but has NEVER reboxed any Italeri/Zvezda AFVs. This is a completely new moulding...



The Italeri reboxes have a number starting with 32xxx. The JS-2 starts with 35xxx, so it's a real Tamiya kit.
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Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007 - 02:50 PM UTC
It disappoints me that Tamiya has never released any tank in 1/35 scale with interiors.
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 09:12 AM UTC

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It disappoints me that Tamiya has never released any tank in 1/35 scale with interiors.


Well, their M113 US armored personnel carrier came with a full interior. And they have offered partial interiors with several German subjects, most recently their Sturmgeschutz III Ausf. B. Still, it is disappointing they have not offered any gun breech or turret basket detail in their Sherman tank kits, given the very large turret openings, and likewise in their IS-3 Stalin, as the absence of interior detail is really obvious if you open the hatches. Of course, Dragon has also fallen short in this area until quite recently.
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 09:31 AM UTC
never reboxed an afv?? check this link and say that!

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/89697ab43/index.htm

though to be fair it was out at about the same time, i dont know what the price comparison is like.

neil
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Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 03:25 AM UTC


Thanks to Perth for getting the pics at the Tokyo Model Show! Here is the new IS-2
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Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 11:01 AM UTC
Tamiya is always overpriced compared to the others -and no extra goodies provided. (The quality is not that great, either. Just compare the surface of the "Smart" Panter, and the Tamiya Panther... ) And they too issued kits from the distant past for more than DML gives their brand-new stuff. (I can buy the 88/37 cheaper, than the Tamiya one at the LHS... The Tamiya and DML Marder IIIH cost the same. Their KV-1, KV-2 are more expensive than Trumpeter's. It's really a no-brainer, which ones I'll get, is it?)
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 11:31 AM UTC

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Tamiya is always overpriced compared to the others -and no extra goodies provided. (The quality is not that great, either. Just compare the surface of the "Smart" Panter, and the Tamiya Panther... ) And they too issued kits from the distant past for more than DML gives their brand-new stuff. (I can buy the 88/37 cheaper, than the Tamiya one at the LHS... The Tamiya and DML Marder IIIH cost the same. Their KV-1, KV-2 are more expensive than Trumpeter's. It's really a no-brainer, which ones I'll get, is it?)


What world do you live in? Tamiya kits are generally more accurate than DML kits and assemble a whole lot easier than DML's kits. IMHO DML over complicates there kits and most of the time they suffer from fit problems......I will buy a Tamilya JS-II the DML one had scale issues....
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 01:59 PM UTC

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What world do you live in? Tamiya kits are generally more accurate than DML kits and assemble a whole lot easier than DML's kits. IMHO DML over complicates there kits and most of the time they suffer from fit problems......I will buy a Tamilya JS-II the DML one had scale issues....



What world? Well, I guess I'm but a humble, unworthy being, am I? Overcomplicates? Why not take a look at their pnz IVs? I had the pleasure to build a Tamiya and DML one at the same time -the difference is astounding. Fit problems... Well, I have yet to get out the putty in a DML kit (except for the shield of their 1/72 Hummel). And don't even get me on accuracy. Let's just forget about the IVs, the Tigers, and others, shall we? Do you want to build an accurate Tamiya Tiger? Need the base kit -35 dollars (just like the DML). Need indi tracks (anything from 8-34), PE (at least grills - 10-40), accurate turret (I have no idea, but not cheap), and metal barrel (12). I'd rather take the DML kit for fraction of the price. Tamiya kits have as many inaccuracies as DML ones, and if we're so honest with each other, I'm not anal about having 2 rivets more on a tank. (Please do tell me how accurate the Tamiya T-34 line is...) And how about the missing details? The surface texturing, the small items, and so on? I already mentioned the Panther... ICM made better job simulating rolled steel. Tamiya has mirror-smooth surface. You can build a Tamiya T-34 or Hanomag in 4 hours (I did); try doing it with a DML or AFV Club kit.
You can't dispute these things. There are approx 4 kits everybody's bringing up as an example of how good Tamiya is (Char Bis, Marder IIIM, Hetzer, UE), and how about all the reissued, inaccurate piles of plastic -many of them still having the ugly ghosts of their motorized pasts- that go for more than the brand new kits from other manufacturers? You can worship Tamiya all you want, but please don't try to tell me I'm living in a different world just because I prefer spending less to get more.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 03:16 PM UTC
New pictures from Tokyo show:






Original source: http://www.sembado.com/photo/2007t_pts/index.htm
As you can see the model is quite authentic, but overall look is considerably diminished by rubber tracks. Also worth noting is engineering of upper hull- they may be planning to release ISU-122/152 as well. The site also contains quite intriguing pictures of Trumpeter's built up MAZ transporter and PT-76 (do those wheels really have to be that thick?).
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 03:27 PM UTC

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What world do you live in? Tamiya kits are generally more accurate than DML kits and assemble a whole lot easier than DML's kits. IMHO DML over complicates there kits and most of the time they suffer from fit problems......I will buy a Tamilya JS-II the DML one had scale issues....



What world? Well, I guess I'm but a humble, unworthy being, am I? Overcomplicates? Why not take a look at their pnz IVs? I had the pleasure to build a Tamiya and DML one at the same time -the difference is astounding. Fit problems... Well, I have yet to get out the putty in a DML kit (except for the shield of their 1/72 Hummel). And don't even get me on accuracy. Let's just forget about the IVs, the Tigers, and others, shall we? Do you want to build an accurate Tamiya Tiger? Need the base kit -35 dollars (just like the DML). Need indi tracks (anything from 8-34), PE (at least grills - 10-40), accurate turret (I have no idea, but not cheap), and metal barrel (12). I'd rather take the DML kit for fraction of the price. Tamiya kits have as many inaccuracies as DML ones, and if we're so honest with each other, I'm not anal about having 2 rivets more on a tank. (Please do tell me how accurate the Tamiya T-34 line is...) And how about the missing details? The surface texturing, the small items, and so on? I already mentioned the Panther... ICM made better job simulating rolled steel. Tamiya has mirror-smooth surface. You can build a Tamiya T-34 or Hanomag in 4 hours (I did); try doing it with a DML or AFV Club kit.
You can't dispute these things. There are approx 4 kits everybody's bringing up as an example of how good Tamiya is (Char Bis, Marder IIIM, Hetzer, UE), and how about all the reissued, inaccurate piles of plastic -many of them still having the ugly ghosts of their motorized pasts- that go for more than the brand new kits from other manufacturers? You can worship Tamiya all you want, but please don't try to tell me I'm living in a different world just because I prefer spending less to get more.



Have to agree with Spongya here. If you look at DML's dealings from about fall 2003, they really press on accuracy and complexity of their kits, whereas Tamiya keeps doing what they want and how they want it. As M1 junkie (second most favorite tank right after T-80) I can say that DML's M1A1AIM and M1A2SEP send Tamiya back to stone age, especially when you consider the prices.
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