Dioramas
Do you love dioramas & vignettes? We sure do.
Do you love dioramas & vignettes? We sure do.
Hosted by Darren Baker, Mario Matijasic
SPLASH: water dillema
Marty
Massachusetts, United States
Joined: June 16, 2002
KitMaker: 2,312 posts
Armorama: 1,054 posts
Joined: June 16, 2002
KitMaker: 2,312 posts
Armorama: 1,054 posts
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2003 - 08:12 AM UTC
OK, I have been at it for over a week now and I still cannot get the water to cooperate with me. I am using Woodland Scenics' Realistic Water and it is starting to get on my nerves. Don't get me wrong, I have mastered making still water (perfectly flat) but cannot for the life of me make it appear more like real water. Is there anyone out there who has used this product and was able to successfully crate ripples and/or small waves? Please help me. I am going nuts.
Matrix
Oregon, United States
Joined: October 24, 2002
KitMaker: 528 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Joined: October 24, 2002
KitMaker: 528 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2003 - 08:31 AM UTC
TO make the ripples and waves I think you need to get the "water effects" from the same company. I read that it is thicker than the relistic water, so it will hold the shape you want.
slodder
North Carolina, United States
Joined: February 22, 2002
KitMaker: 11,718 posts
Armorama: 7,138 posts
Joined: February 22, 2002
KitMaker: 11,718 posts
Armorama: 7,138 posts
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2003 - 08:47 AM UTC
Marty - Sorry - I have not used this product so I can't address it specifically.
All I can offer is to play with the timing of your water affects. Wait untill it starts firming up and then use a dull/rounded tool to push the water to the desired shape.
You may need to use a two product approach as Matrix is illuding to. If you don't have the second product you may be able to use two part resin. Use the twopart resin as the waves. Pour the WS Water stuff down first as flat water. Once it's dry then go back and add waves ripples as separate items on top of the calm water. I would go slow and build up over a number of layers.
These are just a couple of thoughts I had while pondering your questions. If I come up with more I'll post them.
All I can offer is to play with the timing of your water affects. Wait untill it starts firming up and then use a dull/rounded tool to push the water to the desired shape.
You may need to use a two product approach as Matrix is illuding to. If you don't have the second product you may be able to use two part resin. Use the twopart resin as the waves. Pour the WS Water stuff down first as flat water. Once it's dry then go back and add waves ripples as separate items on top of the calm water. I would go slow and build up over a number of layers.
These are just a couple of thoughts I had while pondering your questions. If I come up with more I'll post them.
whiterook
Colorado, United States
Joined: December 18, 2002
KitMaker: 263 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Joined: December 18, 2002
KitMaker: 263 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:05 PM UTC
Major;
I'm having the same problem, when I use water effects it looks like I poured a bunch of white glue on top of my water.
I'm having the same problem, when I use water effects it looks like I poured a bunch of white glue on top of my water.
slodder
North Carolina, United States
Joined: February 22, 2002
KitMaker: 11,718 posts
Armorama: 7,138 posts
Joined: February 22, 2002
KitMaker: 11,718 posts
Armorama: 7,138 posts
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 01:52 AM UTC
Be Careful
I was cleaning up my work area this morning and ran across a mixing container that has some old two part resin that had dried and not gotten used. The stuff I use dries clear as a bell at first but this stuff that is only a month or so old is yellowing already.
If anyone has a two part epoxy product that stays clear please post it.
I was cleaning up my work area this morning and ran across a mixing container that has some old two part resin that had dried and not gotten used. The stuff I use dries clear as a bell at first but this stuff that is only a month or so old is yellowing already.
If anyone has a two part epoxy product that stays clear please post it.
Easy_Co
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: September 11, 2002
KitMaker: 1,933 posts
Armorama: 985 posts
Joined: September 11, 2002
KitMaker: 1,933 posts
Armorama: 985 posts
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 02:41 AM UTC
Hi guys.I read an article in an old issue of military modelling on how to make bullet splashes in water, the chap used tube modelling glue you know the old fashioned stuff,it dries clear looks effective. all the best
Marty
Massachusetts, United States
Joined: June 16, 2002
KitMaker: 2,312 posts
Armorama: 1,054 posts
Joined: June 16, 2002
KitMaker: 2,312 posts
Armorama: 1,054 posts
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 02:54 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I'm having the same problem, when I use water effects it looks like I poured a bunch of white glue on top of my water.
Isn't that supposed to dry clear?
I had a day off yesterday so the night before I poured a thin layer of the Realistic Water and let it dry over night (about 16) hours. According to instructions it will harden in about 24 hours so figured it was probably thick enough at the 16-hour mark for me to start making some small waves. Well, it still didn't hold the shape. I would create a wave and just as I had it the way I wanted it, it would flatten again into a shapeless blob. I played with it until 11:00PM last night and it still didn't hold shape. At that point I gave up and put it aside. This morning the base was still wet and sticky. At this point it has been almost 40 hours. Something is wrong here.
penpen
Hauts-de-Seine, France
Joined: April 11, 2002
KitMaker: 1,757 posts
Armorama: 929 posts
Joined: April 11, 2002
KitMaker: 1,757 posts
Armorama: 929 posts
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 03:33 AM UTC
Marty, how thick did you apply the producdt ?
A thin layer should dry faast whereas a thick one could take forever and maybe have problems like cracks appearing !
A thin layer should dry faast whereas a thick one could take forever and maybe have problems like cracks appearing !
Marty
Massachusetts, United States
Joined: June 16, 2002
KitMaker: 2,312 posts
Armorama: 1,054 posts
Joined: June 16, 2002
KitMaker: 2,312 posts
Armorama: 1,054 posts
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 04:26 AM UTC
Hey penpen, I poured a 1/8 inch thick layer. This is what the instructions say to do.
penpen
Hauts-de-Seine, France
Joined: April 11, 2002
KitMaker: 1,757 posts
Armorama: 929 posts
Joined: April 11, 2002
KitMaker: 1,757 posts
Armorama: 929 posts
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 08:14 AM UTC
sorry, that was just a guess.