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Questions about Bosnia and british Warriors
edgarmiro
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 05:02 AM UTC
I'm working on a diorama about the UK peacekeeping mission in bosnia under the UN flag, more or less as seen in BBC Tv series (2 chapters) called "Warriors" (really recomended).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119873/
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/2000/09/warriors_review.html
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/tv-programs/warriors/26413/

And my questions are:

- I saw that most Warriors have a metalic plate over the engine compartment tied with some ropes(seen in bosnia and seen in several other theatres)as seen in picture below. In the concord book about warriors (Warrior-Concord Mini Color series, #7509) depicting some photos from bosnia seemed that that plate has some paint on it but is illegible. Does someone what is the use of the plate? and if it has any special paint or marking on it ( for example as seen in OIF vehicles as "warning: 50feet...")?






- The second question is about the crew... first i noticed (concord book referenced previously) that the crew use to be about 7 instead of the normally 9 because the few number of troops deployed. The question is about the uniform that the crew on the back wear, as they would stay most of the time inside the vehicle and the mission they were doing was a peacekeeping mission when they dismbark for any kind of checking a building or something like that they use to take with them all the assault vests or Webbing Set over the body armor jacket? or just the sa-80 and the magazine on it?

http://www.militarykit.com/products/webbing_plce/plce_webbing_set.htm
http://www.militarykit.com/product_categories/webbing_assault_vests_combat_vests_chest_rigs.htm

The pictures i have been able to find they were unarmored and i suposed that were took in the UN camp. Any help will be really appreciated and if any UK veteran is able to help me will be really great (comments, photo...).Contact email: [email protected]

I promise i'll show you the results shortly.

thanks a lot.
Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 06:39 AM UTC
The 'metallic plate' is a large oil drip tray, to be put underneath the engine when the vehicle is stopped. Also note the large drum of oil which most Warriors carry in the rack at the front...

Some engineering peculiarities are difficult to eradicate I suppose... British motorcycle manufactors didn't seem to think that an oil tight engine would catch on with the punters...

Henk
maximus8425
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 07:09 AM UTC
All we used to wear was a belt order with ammunition and water bottle, which was put on as we left our wagons (Scimitars). Full webbing was too cumbersome for us however I did see infantry manning checkpoints wearing full webbing. The Warriors typically didn't operate with a full section in the back, usually 2 or 3 to provide top cover in built up areas. Thats another reason why UN Warriors don't seem cluttered externally, there was plenty of room in the back for the lads kit.

Max
Henk
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2007 - 05:31 PM UTC
That's allright.
malcolm
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2007 - 08:45 PM UTC

Warriors.... takes me back

the plate you are referering to is a big drip tray, because the vehicle leaks like a sivv, and this is part of the CES, complete equipment schedule, as a warrior commander, you are responsible for your vehicle, and its equipment, even on tours of bosnia/gulf/iraq, so if it gets lost, or more often than not knicked!!! its down to you.
The unwritten rule in the army is if it aint tied down. it will walk, so everything was carried on these vehicles, another reason for this was they were never fully crewed up, being UN, and not IFOR/KFOR, so there was enough space to do this.

The lads in the back, would wear normal dpm uniforms, with all the UN badges( ski blue helmet cover etc) this changed whaen the tours were under IFOR/KFOR mandate.
Most infantry guys would wear chest webbing, as a full set of CEFO ( combat equipment fighting order) was to cumbersome, and basicly not needed.

hope this helps

malc.
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