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Why no books on building Modern U.S. AFVs?
jekrott
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 01:41 PM UTC
Iwanted to put this topic in here because it kind of goes with this area.Over the years we have been blessed with modeling books on Tigers,Panthers ,Hetzers etc etc.BUTTTTTTTTTTTT nothing on modern tanks,like the M1 ,Bradley,or even hummers.I would love to see a book that would cover the M1 from the 1st to the sep.And the same goes for the Bradley .There's so much out now in the AM market to cover every angle of this market.And lets not forget the Stryker now. I hope someone in the future can come through for us.
kevinb120
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 02:39 PM UTC
Sorry about being a crabapple but for a word of advice, thread titles without the subject in them drive me completely nuts, I don't mod here, but I typically edit or outright delete them on forums that I do... Its very important here because a lot of threads can be about an exact afv or type or year, ect-and people use the titles to search for the threads later. "Best place to find refferences on modern afv's" would of probably gotten you 4 answers already, but anyway!
Check the reviews section and put in the publisher's name on the drop down such as Osprey or Tankograd and you will see quite a few refferences to, well, refferences. Taking 7.5 seconds to scan the list I saw a stryker book and lateest versions specifically of the leopard A6 right away...They are out there. And there are countless resources online(here and abroad) on armor in action now free to everybody as well.
Cheers!
Check the reviews section and put in the publisher's name on the drop down such as Osprey or Tankograd and you will see quite a few refferences to, well, refferences. Taking 7.5 seconds to scan the list I saw a stryker book and lateest versions specifically of the leopard A6 right away...They are out there. And there are countless resources online(here and abroad) on armor in action now free to everybody as well.
Cheers!
jekrott
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 03:16 PM UTC
I understand about the topic,but im not talking about refferences,just modeling books ,like "how to". i think maybe i didnt say it right.
jowady
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 04:34 PM UTC
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Iwanted to put this topic in here because it kind of goes with this area.Over the years we have been blessed with modeling books on Tigers,Panthers ,Hetzers etc etc.BUTTTTTTTTTTTT nothing on modern tanks,like the M1 ,Bradley,or even hummers.I would love to see a book that would cover the M1 from the 1st to the sep.And the same goes for the Bradley .There's so much out now in the AM market to cover every angle of this market.And lets not forget the Stryker now. I hope someone in the future can come through for us.
I don't know it to be true, but some of the info could very well still be classified.
John
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 05:36 PM UTC
Osprey does a book on the Stryker, and Squadron has done books on the M1, the Bradley, and and the Humvee.
kevinb120
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 04:34 AM UTC
Heck, Bulivyf has built over half a dozen Dragon AIM's, some of his threads and builds could probably be constituted as 'how-to' books 
What's the difference between using good refference books and making the model look like that or 'how-to' books anyway?? A lot of those books uses a different version of the kit (i.e. a Tamiya version versus an updated Dragon kit that already has most of the modifications)??? Most of the ones I have seen have been for one specific model kit doing one specific version of a vehicle. I think the forums are more helpful with the plethora of build threads and much more dynamic then 'how-to' book, other then ones that focus on techniques in general.
What's the difference between using good refference books and making the model look like that or 'how-to' books anyway?? A lot of those books uses a different version of the kit (i.e. a Tamiya version versus an updated Dragon kit that already has most of the modifications)??? Most of the ones I have seen have been for one specific model kit doing one specific version of a vehicle. I think the forums are more helpful with the plethora of build threads and much more dynamic then 'how-to' book, other then ones that focus on techniques in general.
jimbrae
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 - 12:09 AM UTC
Title changed - will probably help in getting responses 
There's a very real reason for NOT having (modelling) books on this subject. Firstly, practicalities - just how many versions of the M1 Abrams have actually been built? You simply can't compare the number of variants with that of an M4 Sherman (off the top of my head). Secondly, just how many kits are out there? None in 1/48th and a handful of modern kits in 1/35th and a (very) few in 1/72nd. Finally, the publishers have got to balance the popularity of a subject with how many copies they are liable to sell. Finally, check out the books from this link:
http://www.wwpbooks.com/
There's a very real reason for NOT having (modelling) books on this subject. Firstly, practicalities - just how many versions of the M1 Abrams have actually been built? You simply can't compare the number of variants with that of an M4 Sherman (off the top of my head). Secondly, just how many kits are out there? None in 1/48th and a handful of modern kits in 1/35th and a (very) few in 1/72nd. Finally, the publishers have got to balance the popularity of a subject with how many copies they are liable to sell. Finally, check out the books from this link:
http://www.wwpbooks.com/
matt
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 - 10:18 AM UTC
The Constant Evolution of "Modern" subjects make the books obsolete (to an extent) by the time it even gets Printed and or Distributed!!!
ryally
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 06:48 PM UTC
I am a modern AFV builder too. I find some books have one or two good articles and the rest are not so good. So now I just watch the monthly / bi monthly mags and pick up the modern articles that way. Over the years I would have picked up many articles that would add up to 5-10 books.
I also cut the articles out and put them in a modern folder, like a book
I also cut the articles out and put them in a modern folder, like a book
marcb
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 07:36 PM UTC
Completely agree,
In fact I thought of the same thing last night. Osprey has their modelling range (see fe the current Armorama review of the M4 76mm Sherman volume), in which they focus on modelling a certain afv covincingly. It would be a good thing if they would release volumes on fe modelling the M1A1, M2/ M3 Bradley or Humvee.
You could email Osprey publishing and make a suggestion...
Trick for the books is probably to find people who have solid knowledge of the vehicle and model in a way that appeals to people.
In fact I thought of the same thing last night. Osprey has their modelling range (see fe the current Armorama review of the M4 76mm Sherman volume), in which they focus on modelling a certain afv covincingly. It would be a good thing if they would release volumes on fe modelling the M1A1, M2/ M3 Bradley or Humvee.
You could email Osprey publishing and make a suggestion...
Trick for the books is probably to find people who have solid knowledge of the vehicle and model in a way that appeals to people.
marcb
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 08:39 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Completely agree,
In fact I thought of the same thing yesterday. Osprey has their modelling range (see fe the current Armorama review of the M4 76mm Sherman volume), in which they focus on modelling a certain afv covincingly. It would be a good thing if they would release volumes on fe modelling the M1A1, M2/ M3 Bradley or Humvee.
You could email Osprey publishing and make a suggestion.
Trick for the books is probably to find people who have solid knowledge of the vehicle and model in a way that appeals to people.
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