There was this idea thrown about a few month ago about a RamTiger minicampaign, but nothing since then.
Is anyone interested?
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mini-campaign proposal: RamTiger
spongya
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Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 09:06 AM UTC
Vermont6
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Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:31 AM UTC
Excuse my ignorance what is a Ramtiger?
TacFireGuru
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Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:17 PM UTC
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Excuse my ignorance what is a Ramtiger?
This is one of the many builds that will show you what one is (or was supposed to be
).Interesting vehicle to say the least. Should add; it's also called the RÄUMPANZER Tiger (P) or the Rammtiger.
Mike
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Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 03:02 PM UTC
Vermont6,
Dr Porsche had 100 chassis started when he was vying for the Tiger I contract. Henschel won, but Hitler like the Porsche design, and they were already started, so 93 Ferdinands were built with 88 mm main guns. Several of the chassis were left uncompleted or built as the Tiger(P). Three were set aside to be built as the Rammtiger(P) for use in Stalingrad. Plans were drawn up and a wooden model made. No one has ever seen any pictures of the real vehicle, so say they were built and then scrapped, others say the chassis were used for other purposes. A big "What if", but count me in for a build.
Dr Porsche had 100 chassis started when he was vying for the Tiger I contract. Henschel won, but Hitler like the Porsche design, and they were already started, so 93 Ferdinands were built with 88 mm main guns. Several of the chassis were left uncompleted or built as the Tiger(P). Three were set aside to be built as the Rammtiger(P) for use in Stalingrad. Plans were drawn up and a wooden model made. No one has ever seen any pictures of the real vehicle, so say they were built and then scrapped, others say the chassis were used for other purposes. A big "What if", but count me in for a build.
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:16 PM UTC
The idea is good, but I doubt you will find 10 people wanting to build the Rammtiger. What about making it into a real campaign and make it for all Tiger vehicles. Everything made on the Tiger chassis: SturmTiger, Tiger (P), Ferdinand, King Tiger, Tiger I, Jagdtiger etc.?
Then I am sure you would find 10 participants and a very interesting campaign
Then I am sure you would find 10 participants and a very interesting campaign
spongya
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Posted: Friday, November 16, 2007 - 01:50 AM UTC
It's not my idea. I think the basic diea was to have everybody scratch the ramtiger upper structure in a small, limited, and very focused minicampaign. (There was a plan circulated a few months ago, and someone suggested this campaign then.)
As for a Tiger only campaign -I think these tanks are overrepresented already. I was surprised not to see one in the OIF campaign.
As for a Tiger only campaign -I think these tanks are overrepresented already. I was surprised not to see one in the OIF campaign.
Vermont6
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Posted: Friday, November 16, 2007 - 09:54 AM UTC
Hey guys
Thanks for the histroy lesson, never heard of it. Sounds interesting, scratch work is not my cup of tea, but I would be interested in seeing other peoplse work if this got off the ground. Good luck with the idea.
Thanks for the histroy lesson, never heard of it. Sounds interesting, scratch work is not my cup of tea, but I would be interested in seeing other peoplse work if this got off the ground. Good luck with the idea.
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Friday, November 16, 2007 - 01:40 PM UTC
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Vermont6,
Dr Porsche had 100 chassis started when he was vying for the Tiger I contract. Henschel won, but Hitler like the Porsche design, and they were already started, so 93 Ferdinands were built with 88 mm main guns. Several of the chassis were left uncompleted or built as the Tiger(P). Three were set aside to be built as the Rammtiger(P) for use in Stalingrad. Plans were drawn up and a wooden model made. No one has ever seen any pictures of the real vehicle, so say they were built and then scrapped, others say the chassis were used for other purposes. A big "What if", but count me in for a build.
Actually, there is a published photo of a completed one captured at a proving ground at the end of the war. They do not appear to have ever been used in combat. The utility of a vehicle designed to make a building collapse on top of it is questionable to say the least.
AikinutNY
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Posted: Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 10:41 AM UTC
Picture of a completed Rammtiger(P)? There was a fake photo passed around done by a modeler, it was sitting behind some Russian tanks.
LSniper
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Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 03:59 AM UTC
Here is a drawing of the Rammtiger
I hope that helps
I hope those help
MATT
I hope that helps
I hope those help
MATT
DUBDUBS
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 10:45 AM UTC
Spongya, I believe I was the one who tossed around the idea with a few other modelers on the site. I would still like to do it, but I don't know if enough people would want to do it. Anyone else interesdted? 
spongya
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 11:44 AM UTC
Hi William,
Do you think we could argue that the meaning of the "minicampaign" is a "campaign limited in duration, participants or subjects"?
In this case less then ten people, and one vehicle. (The problem with the "big" campaigns is that due to their wide scope they all look the same. Smaller, more focused campaigns should have their place, too.)
Do you think we could argue that the meaning of the "minicampaign" is a "campaign limited in duration, participants or subjects"?
In this case less then ten people, and one vehicle. (The problem with the "big" campaigns is that due to their wide scope they all look the same. Smaller, more focused campaigns should have their place, too.)
DUBDUBS
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 01:03 PM UTC
Yes, a "mini-campaign" could have the guidelines of one vehicle, and around ten people who are all committed to building it. Spongya, you might have invented a new campaign catagory!
Jagdpanzer
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 06:46 PM UTC
Hello everyone.
I must say I find this vehicle quite interesting. I've never heard of it either. I'm not really the type of guy for a scratch build so this is nothing for me, sadly. If you guys can't get enough people together for the campaign you can always sign up for the "World War Experimentals And Planned" campaign. A Rammtiger would qualify seeing as it was built in such small numbers.
Season's greetings,
Mike
I must say I find this vehicle quite interesting. I've never heard of it either. I'm not really the type of guy for a scratch build so this is nothing for me, sadly. If you guys can't get enough people together for the campaign you can always sign up for the "World War Experimentals And Planned" campaign. A Rammtiger would qualify seeing as it was built in such small numbers.
Season's greetings,
Mike
spongya
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 02:07 AM UTC
Hi,
I never did scratchbuilding in my life, either. There are plans circulating, and since the superstructure is relatively simple, I think I might be able to build one. (If not, you still have a Tiger (P) to finish, so there’s nothing to lose. I’m planning to do it in 1/72, fit it to a built Tiger, and when it’s done, buy another kit, and build it for the Ramtiger’s hull.)
The campaign wasn’t my idea; I just asked if it’s still around. But it’d be more unique if it had it’s own as the original author of the idea imagined. (Kind of like the “zoom” kits by Eduard…
)
EDIT: small campaigns are not unprecedented. This one had 4 participants.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Campaigns&file=index&req=showcontent&id=71
I hope our Ramtiger can take off.
I never did scratchbuilding in my life, either. There are plans circulating, and since the superstructure is relatively simple, I think I might be able to build one. (If not, you still have a Tiger (P) to finish, so there’s nothing to lose. I’m planning to do it in 1/72, fit it to a built Tiger, and when it’s done, buy another kit, and build it for the Ramtiger’s hull.)
The campaign wasn’t my idea; I just asked if it’s still around. But it’d be more unique if it had it’s own as the original author of the idea imagined. (Kind of like the “zoom” kits by Eduard…
)EDIT: small campaigns are not unprecedented. This one had 4 participants.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Campaigns&file=index&req=showcontent&id=71
I hope our Ramtiger can take off
.TacFireGuru
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 11:12 AM UTC
Would the individual or individuals that would like to "make this happen" please contact me via PM?? 
Mike
Mike
tatbaqui
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Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 11:54 AM UTC
Guys, are there any 1/35 plans / drawings for this? I may as well convert my botched-up Ferdinand into one. Thanks
TacFireGuru
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Posted: Monday, December 31, 2007 - 02:40 PM UTC
I see five or so potential candiates for a "mini-campaign." To be blunt, will no one "step up to the plate?" I'd hate to see the RammTiger build die here....along with future "potentials."
Mike
Mike
DUBDUBS
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Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 05:12 AM UTC
PM sent!
DUBDUBS
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Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 07:12 AM UTC
Just started a new thread, on who is actually serious about doing this.
spongya
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Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 02:49 AM UTC
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Just started a new thread, on who is actually serious about doing this.
great! right now my access to the internet is in a mcdonalds using my phone, but as soon as I get back, i'll check it out.
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