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T-90A In Russian Service?
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 04:38 AM UTC
Hello All,

I know the welded turret T-90A is used by India, but are there examples of it being used by the Russians? If so, what paint scheme is being used?

Thanks,

John

BTW. I did a search to see if this had been discussed. I'm sure it has, but search tool at the top revealed nothing no matter how I typed T-90, T 90, T90... Any pointers on how I might get this to work properly?
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 05:02 AM UTC
Hi,

yes, russian tank troops are getting the T-90A, but unfortunatly it's still in low-level production. The paint sheme should be pretty much the same as the older T-90S. Pictures are relatively rare on the net. Here are some examples:

T-90A_1
T-90A_2
T-90A_3
T-90A_4

Hope this helps.

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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 05:47 AM UTC
Thank you Arthur. Now if only I could find images of the old style wheels on production models to save a little money.


John

Edited to spell your name right.
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 10:32 AM UTC
That is not T-90A built specifically for RuA, same demonstrators as before. Russian army newly built ones with welded turret don't have Shtora emitters and thus have different Kontakt-5 arrangement on turret.
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 11:54 AM UTC

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That is not T-90A built specifically for RuA, same demonstrators as before. Russian army newly built ones with welded turret don't have Shtora emitters and thus have different Kontakt-5 arrangement on turret.


So even though the cast turrret T-90 used by the Russian Army has the Shtora system, the T-90A used by Russia does not?

Cheers,

John
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 02:56 PM UTC
Aye, there may be some transitional stage ones. Shtora is usless against fire-and-forget AT missiles radar or optical guidance.
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 06:01 PM UTC
Concord Publications has a book on the T-72 and T-90 with color photos of details and camouflage. Search the web for Concord Publications to see photos :-).
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Posted: Monday, December 03, 2007 - 11:43 PM UTC

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That is not T-90A built specifically for RuA, same demonstrators as before

No, they are not just demonstrators. The russian army have fielded a limited batch of the T-90A (or known as T-90 Mod. 2004) in the last 3 years. According to Vasiliy Fofanov, today, the russian army has about 100 T-90A with full Shtora-1 suit in service. For example, the 2nd Tamanskaja MRD should have one battalion equipped with T-90A. By the way, the new T-90A is equipped with Relikt ERA, not Kontakt-5.

PS. Thanks for the pic, it's really rare.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 10:48 AM UTC
Relict IERA? It is universal for all MBTs and very distinctly looking, your pictures show T-90 with older K-5 outfit.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 01:00 AM UTC
Hy!

Sorry that I "jump" into this discussion, but is this meant to be "Relict" ERA?





Best regards,

Andy T.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 03:41 AM UTC

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Relict IERA? It is universal for all MBTs and very distinctly looking, your pictures show T-90 with older K-5 outfit.


Yes, that's right. I meant with 'new T-90A' (mod. 2006) the newly built one without Shota-1 emitters, though.


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Sorry that I "jump" into this discussion, but is this meant to be "Relict" ERA?

Hmm, that's the Objekt 187 prototype from the nineties. The few Information available on the net seems to suggest that's indeed early production type Relikt ERA.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 06:55 AM UTC
Okay thanks.

But do we have some more info about the Relict armor or even pics showing it?
Also the gun on the Obj. 187 seems to have a muzzle break? Which plant build this prototype? Uralvagonzavod?

Just curious.

Best regards,

Andy T.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 09:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Okay thanks.

But do we have some more info about the Relict armor or even pics showing it?
Also the gun on the Obj. 187 seems to have a muzzle break? Which plant build this prototype? Uralvagonzavod?

Just curious.

Best regards,

Andy T.


Relikt ERA is currently being installed on modernized T-80B, BV, T-72B and latest prototypes of BMPT. Some pics from BTVT.narod.ru:

T-80B
BMPT
T-72B Rogatka
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 05:15 PM UTC
George - this maybe a dumb question, but on that photo of the T72B Rogatka, what's up with that tarp or covering over the front and side hull? Is it "just" a tarp or something else?
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 05:30 PM UTC

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George - this maybe a dumb question, but on that photo of the T72B Rogatka, what's up with that tarp or covering over the front and side hull? Is it "just" a tarp or something else?

That is Nakidka (overcoat) system. Filters out tank's IR radiation. Designers also claim it actually reduces tank shape while viewed through standard vision at medium to long ranges. I would guess it also distorts continuity of laser and Doppler beams.

Did a quick check, reported effectiveness (as opposed to a same tank without the set):
-30% lower detection by Day IR/Optical channel sights
-2-3 times lower probability of detection by thermal imager/heat seeker
-up to 6 times lower detection by radar
-no word about laser but it may be added later as the tissue is multi layered
-A lot less work on complex detail on front glasics and turret as all you need is some tissue and white glue
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Posted: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 - 11:03 PM UTC
HY George!

Thanks for the Info!

Best regards,

Andy T.
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Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 06:16 PM UTC
thanks George - that's excellent info! So it's not "just" a tarp; it's like some Harry Potter invisibility cloak!
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