Now I wonder; What is the difference between a Hummer and a HuMMWV?
Sabot,
You work in the military, right? Have you drove one?
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Difference between huMMWV and Hummer?
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Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 09:30 PM UTC
I have studied alot now on this vehicle. Multipurpose Mobile Wheeled Vehicle.
Now I wonder; What is the difference between a Hummer and a HuMMWV?
Sabot,
You work in the military, right? Have you drove one?
Now I wonder; What is the difference between a Hummer and a HuMMWV?
Sabot,
You work in the military, right? Have you drove one?
BroAbrams
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Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 10:02 PM UTC
Everyone in the military has driven one at some point. A HMMWV, or Humvee, is a military multi-purpose vehicle, I am sure you know the one. A Hummer is the commercially marketed version produced by AM General and later Chevrolet. It has more sound dampening and better ammenities (CD player, AC, etc.) It retains many of the features of the military version, but with better handling and safety features.
Rob
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Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 11:20 PM UTC
So - since the itroduction of the "Hummer" to civilians do you guys in the military use hummer as a nick name at all or is it kinda taboo now. Or was hummer a civilian thing all along?
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 12:32 AM UTC
I don't think I have ever heard anyone in uniform refer to the vehicle as anything but the "humvee." When we were issued them back in the mid-80s, the AM General reps that came out with the initial issue kept referring the it as a "Hummer," but us dirty-minded GIs already had another definitiion for that term.
I was in Alaska at the time and we were quite used to "-Vee" vehivles. We had the CUCV (pronounced Cuck-vee), which were Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicles -- basically militarized GM trucks. We also had the SUSV (Sus-Vee), which was the Small Unit Support Vehicle -- a softskin, articulated tracked carrier built in Europe by Hagglunds (very cool).
I was in Alaska at the time and we were quite used to "-Vee" vehivles. We had the CUCV (pronounced Cuck-vee), which were Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicles -- basically militarized GM trucks. We also had the SUSV (Sus-Vee), which was the Small Unit Support Vehicle -- a softskin, articulated tracked carrier built in Europe by Hagglunds (very cool).
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 02:09 AM UTC
Thanks for answers guys. Her are my oppinions concerning the HMMWV:
The HV's mission is to transport things from point "A" to point "B". It does that good, but there are several other vehicles that do that, and some, even better for a lower price.
I think that there are several better ways to use money, instead of buying, a too big, a too expensive and a too "fuel-thirsty" HMMWV.
For example: The Landrover and the South African Mamba.
Here are the good things with the HMMWV:
It can take heavy loads, it can "take a bath", and it can drive through the most difficult terrain. And I have heard that it can drag a parachute behind it self.
The HV's mission is to transport things from point "A" to point "B". It does that good, but there are several other vehicles that do that, and some, even better for a lower price.
I think that there are several better ways to use money, instead of buying, a too big, a too expensive and a too "fuel-thirsty" HMMWV.
For example: The Landrover and the South African Mamba.
Here are the good things with the HMMWV:
It can take heavy loads, it can "take a bath", and it can drive through the most difficult terrain. And I have heard that it can drag a parachute behind it self.
SS-74
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 02:15 AM UTC
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Thanks for answers guys. Her are my oppinions concerning the HMMWV:
The HV's mission is to transport things from point "A" to point "B". It does that good, but there are several other vehicles that do that, and some, even better for a lower price.
I think that there are several better ways to use money, instead of buying, a too big, a too expensive and a too "fuel-thirsty" HMMWV.
For example: The Landrover and the South African Mamba.
Here are the good things with the HMMWV:
It can take heavy loads, it can "take a bath", and it can drive through the most difficult terrain. And I have heard that it can drag a parachute behind it self.
I think in military, they sometimes concern more about saving pr perserving service personnel's lives than saving a few bucks. I am sure that the Humvee can stand up to a lot more punishment than say a Rover.
Those whacky military planner, should just get a Suzuki Pajero to do the Humvee job instead of WASTING all those bucks...for say transporting goods/people from point A to B....
Sabot
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 02:50 AM UTC
We call them HMMWVs which is pronounced "HUM-VEE". They are also referred to by nomenclature, for example: "Get the 998," "fix the hatch on the 1025." These numbers are pronounced as Nine-Nine-Eight, or Ten-Twenty-Five. They are also just called "truck".
Hummer is just the commercially licensed name used by AM General (a division of General Motors). I've heard it used by soldiers but not frequently. My old first sergeant used to say, "A hummer is something you get, I ride around in a truck."
Hummer is just the commercially licensed name used by AM General (a division of General Motors). I've heard it used by soldiers but not frequently. My old first sergeant used to say, "A hummer is something you get, I ride around in a truck."
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 03:52 AM UTC
Yeah, I shy away from the whole 'hummer' thing. Er..well, I don't call the HMMWV a hummer at least! I cringe anytime I hear it.
Kind of like on the Simpsons when half of the town gets rich with a gold mine and the news reporter Kent Brockman says that 'we'll all be taking Golden Showers'...
And, I think that new H2 is a monstrosity.
Give me the military version any day!
Steve
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 06:08 AM UTC
The nickname "Hummer" was given to the vehicle by those of us at AM General who were on the program (Engineering). I was responsible for the design and layout of the air transport eyes sticking through the hood. The majority of the design work was done in Livonia, Michigan. Being a product designer, I cringed on this program when they told me to do my drawings with 1.0mm pencil! Product design was supposed to be fine line, and they have me drawing like a toolie! I later found this was so all details and layouts could be reduced to put on microfiche. Was a fun program, only military work I had done. Later, when GM bought the rights to sale the vehicle, they copyrighted "Hummer". Prior to that, you knew the jobbies who worked on the vehicle from the use of the term "Hummer". That THING (H2) GM builds now is in no way, shape, or form my beloved "Hummer"
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 06:20 AM UTC
All of the metal stampings for the "new" Hummer are made here in Marion, Indiana at the local GM stamping plant. I think they have 50 odd dies for this one truck. Naturally, everyone in town thinks it is just beautiful. I don't think I'll be able to afford one anytime soon (50 grand plus) so I never paid much attention to what they looked like...
Oh, and the MIlitary version was (is?) built somewhere in Northern Indiana (in Mishawaka ?) IIRC. New Indiana State Motto "Indiana, Home of the Hummer."
Oh, and the MIlitary version was (is?) built somewhere in Northern Indiana (in Mishawaka ?) IIRC. New Indiana State Motto "Indiana, Home of the Hummer."
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 07:21 AM UTC
I left the Army in '97 and as Rob said, we always called it a HUMVEE, 998, or a 1025, depending on the model. I NEVER heard anyone in uniform refer to it as a Hummer. I've recently been hearing a lot of civilian auto enthusiats refer to it has the H1 to differentiate it from the new, utterly contemptable H2. In reality, the H2 is nothing more than a Suburban (same chassis) with a boxier body. 
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 07:28 AM UTC
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I think that there are several better ways to use money, instead of buying, a too big, a too expensive and a too "fuel-thirsty" HMMWV.
My good friend, Capt. (Ret Mass National Guard) Bob, left the service about the time the Humvee was being transitioned in to replaced the M-151 series. While Bob loves anything and everything new, he preferred his Jeep to the Humvee.
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 07:40 AM UTC
Scuttlebutt had it that the 7th Army in Europe refused to accept the HMMWV due to the fact that it was just too wide to negotiate the roads and forests of Europe. I heard that the 7th was the last command to get them, but eventually had no other choice.
Quite frankly, it was tough to drive up in Canada as well, but this baby 'smokes' the jeep by far. No where near as 'top heavy' when sporting TOW and other weapons. I took mine thru terrain that I wouldn't have even thought of in the jeep and much faster too!
Would I spend $30K-$50K for a 'Hummer'? Absolutely not!
Quite frankly, it was tough to drive up in Canada as well, but this baby 'smokes' the jeep by far. No where near as 'top heavy' when sporting TOW and other weapons. I took mine thru terrain that I wouldn't have even thought of in the jeep and much faster too!
Would I spend $30K-$50K for a 'Hummer'? Absolutely not!
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 07:44 AM UTC
The biggest difference (other than ammenities and paint scheme) is abuse. I don't think Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to beat the crap out of his (Hummer) like us crazy Army screwballs do to our TRUCKS. Its mostly in the name really, personally, I call em Trucks, Guntrucks (966 and 1025) Hummies or Hum-VEE. Oh, and Hardshell, or Turtleback (see guntrucks) On occasion, I have been known to call them other things that is not PC for polite company.
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 07:52 AM UTC
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New Indiana State Motto "Indiana, Home of the Hummer."
That should make your tourism numbers go through the roof.
Patrick
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 08:16 AM UTC
I, for one, have never heard them called "Hummies" and would use the name "Hummer" before I'd use "Hummie". We got them in January 1989 when I was in Germany, by the summer, the Jeeps were gone.
kayelbe
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 09:34 AM UTC
I have not been personally exposed to HMMWV's (pronunciation left up to you) in the Navy, except for watching the gators onload Marines. Having said that, I have to rely on what info I obtained prior to the internet info explosion (books, etc).
When I was a teenager, I played an RPG called Twilight 2000, and they were pronounced "Hum Vee" (even spelled that way on occasion). However, I have seen early trial photos of the TRUCK with "Hummer" painted on the front (the bumper?).
Anyway, I will call them Hum-Vees, because like the others said, a Hummer is something you get.....oh and I am DEFINITELY booking a trip to Indiana really soon!
When I was a teenager, I played an RPG called Twilight 2000, and they were pronounced "Hum Vee" (even spelled that way on occasion). However, I have seen early trial photos of the TRUCK with "Hummer" painted on the front (the bumper?).
Anyway, I will call them Hum-Vees, because like the others said, a Hummer is something you get.....oh and I am DEFINITELY booking a trip to Indiana really soon!
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2003 - 07:21 PM UTC
I've been around HMMWV, from 1986 to 1996 (retirement year). I was in a TOW II (M151A2 equiped) Platoon in the 7 Infantry Divison (Light), Forrt Ord, CA back in 1986 when the 7 IDL first started receiveing them. Throughout my US Army career I always called them Humvee or by its model name such as the "988", 1038, 966, etc.
My intial opinion was "Oh, God." How can something that big replace the jeeps that i commanded. After using them in the field and becoming a Master Driver, I changed my mind. I could go places that Jeeps couldn't go, etc. It has better pick up speed, better center of balance, climb road grades as steep as 60% / 30 degrees and even desccend that steep of an grade with any brakes being applied (done it). Run flat tires, better crew protection, balistic windows, kevlar doors (weapons carrier), higher road clearance, self sealing fuel tank etc.
Be in a fully combat loaded M966 (TOW weapons carrier) traveling at a speed of 45 MPH, slam on the brake, and stop without losing control or flipping it. 
My intial opinion was "Oh, God." How can something that big replace the jeeps that i commanded. After using them in the field and becoming a Master Driver, I changed my mind. I could go places that Jeeps couldn't go, etc. It has better pick up speed, better center of balance, climb road grades as steep as 60% / 30 degrees and even desccend that steep of an grade with any brakes being applied (done it). Run flat tires, better crew protection, balistic windows, kevlar doors (weapons carrier), higher road clearance, self sealing fuel tank etc.
Be in a fully combat loaded M966 (TOW weapons carrier) traveling at a speed of 45 MPH, slam on the brake, and stop without losing control or flipping it.
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Posted: Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 01:37 AM UTC
I soldiered with the M151, and I've soldiered with the HMMWV since then. Now I am here (Bosnia), and I get to talk to the UK guys (and a lot of others) who use the Land Rovers, and the Germans with their Mercedes jeeps. Guess what most of them would rather have? Yup, the HMMWV.
The HMMWV can carry an enormous load, and is set up to be convertible to an endless list of different variants, including an up-armored variant that is practically a tank. It is stable and tough, and those worries about the narrow roads proved to be mostly worries and nothing more. They handle the roads here in Bosnia (which REALLY suck) easily, and rarely find a place they can't go. The only drawback is that they are really loud inside at speed on a hard surface road. And "speed" is relative to walking, as they aren't all that fast. Then again, a combat vehicle shouldn't probably spend much time on the highway anyway.
I like the HMMWV, and wouldn't trade it for any of the other choices for a combat vehicle. The Pajero or Nissan Terrano that we use here is not a combat vehicle so there is no way to compare them.
The HMMWV can carry an enormous load, and is set up to be convertible to an endless list of different variants, including an up-armored variant that is practically a tank. It is stable and tough, and those worries about the narrow roads proved to be mostly worries and nothing more. They handle the roads here in Bosnia (which REALLY suck) easily, and rarely find a place they can't go. The only drawback is that they are really loud inside at speed on a hard surface road. And "speed" is relative to walking, as they aren't all that fast. Then again, a combat vehicle shouldn't probably spend much time on the highway anyway.
I like the HMMWV, and wouldn't trade it for any of the other choices for a combat vehicle. The Pajero or Nissan Terrano that we use here is not a combat vehicle so there is no way to compare them.
BroAbrams
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:13 PM UTC
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Thanks for answers guys. Her are my oppinions concerning the HMMWV:
The HV's mission is to transport things from point "A" to point "B". It does that good, but there are several other vehicles that do that, and some, even better for a lower price.
I think that there are several better ways to use money, instead of buying, a too big, a too expensive and a too "fuel-thirsty" HMMWV.
For example: The Landrover and the South African Mamba.
I say when you pay US taxes you can have a say in how US tax dollars are spent. Until then you are certainly entitled to worry about what the Swedish Army uses. I will keep the Humvee.
Rob
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 06:14 AM UTC
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We call them HMMWVs which is pronounced "HUM-VEE". They are also referred to by nomenclature, for example: "Get the 998," "fix the hatch on the 1025." These numbers are pronounced as Nine-Nine-Eight, or Ten-Twenty-Five. They are also just called "truck".
Weird. We always called tanks "M-forty-eight" or "M-sixty", but a PC was called "one-one-three"!
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 06:25 AM UTC
Right On, Rob.
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 06:28 AM UTC
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Quoted TextNew Indiana State Motto "Indiana, Home of the Hummer."
That should make your tourism numbers go through the roof.
Patrick
Gonna be a lot of disappointed visitors this year...
Sabot
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:53 AM UTC
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Yes, same phenomenon in the units I've been in. We also called them "Papa Chucks". Personnel carriers were usually referred to as APCs and shortened to "PC"s or when using phonetic alphabet letters, Papa Chuck (the letter C is Charlie, Chuck is short for Charlie).We always called tanks "M-forty-eight" or "M-sixty", but a PC was called "one-one-three"!
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