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Image hunt...turretless captured sherman
Grifter
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:05 AM UTC
Hey all, been away from the hobby for a while now and I'm trying to get back to some of my previous projects. One of them was a Sherman captured by Germans and in use possibly as a tow vehicle. I used to have a photo that I got from the internet showing a turretless sherman in german hands with a german cross painted on the side, and a couple crewmen hanging around. I think it was in a street with a large building in the background.

I've been running various internet searches for the past few days and have come up empty........Does anyone know the photo I'm talking about, and know where I can find it again?
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:33 AM UTC
Hey Greg,
Here's the site and photo you're looking for:

http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/us/M4_sherman/shermanturettles-01.htm

I hope that helps.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 10:10 AM UTC
That's IT!!!!
Thank you!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 10:28 AM UTC
Funny that the guy on the ground looks to be making hand gesture ( read giving the photog the finger). Guess signing is the universal language.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 02:30 AM UTC

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Funny that the guy on the ground looks to be making hand gesture ( read giving the photog the finger). Guess signing is the universal language.


He is that too!

The next question is, what model of Sherman is that hull?
Drader
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 02:55 AM UTC

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Funny that the guy on the ground looks to be making hand gesture ( read giving the photog the finger). Guess signing is the universal language.


He is that too!

The next question is, what model of Sherman is that hull?


Appears to be an M4 as I can see what looks like the armoured door over the air inlet at the front of the engine Deck. Similar to the Tamiya M4 Early (their description). Looks like the turret ring is plated over as the commander's split hatch cupola has been reused. Possibly an ex-US Army tank as British/Commonwealth/Polish Sherman Is were rarer in Italy.

David
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 06:15 AM UTC

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Funny that the guy on the ground looks to be making hand gesture ( read giving the photog the finger). Guess signing is the universal language.


He is that too!

The next question is, what model of Sherman is that hull?


Appears to be an M4 as I can see what looks like the armoured door over the air inlet at the front of the engine Deck. Similar to the Tamiya M4 Early (their description). Looks like the turret ring is plated over as the commander's split hatch cupola has been reused. Possibly an ex-US Army tank as British/Commonwealth/Polish Sherman Is were rarer in Italy.

David


Cheers for the info David, another to add to the "future projects" list.
Drader
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 08:54 PM UTC
Not quite the same as the Tamiya M4 Early though, the bogies in the photo have horizontal arms for the return rollers, the kit has sloping arms. If you're bothered by this, the easiest solution is a swap with the bogies from any of the Academy M4/M10/M36 kits.

David
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 08:17 AM UTC

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Not quite the same as the Tamiya M4 Early though, the bogies in the photo have horizontal arms for the return rollers, the kit has sloping arms. If you're bothered by this, the easiest solution is a swap with the bogies from any of the Academy M4/M10/M36 kits.

David


Thanks again David, I do have access to those kits too so it'll be simple for me to do that.
mark197205
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Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 04:31 AM UTC

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Not quite the same as the Tamiya M4 Early though, the bogies in the photo have horizontal arms for the return rollers, the kit has sloping arms. If you're bothered by this, the easiest solution is a swap with the bogies from any of the Academy M4/M10/M36 kits.

David


Just out of interest David, is there a Dragon kit that would be suitable as I only have the late Tamiya M4A3 Frontline breakthrough kit, or would that work too with the bogie swap? I'm a bit in the dark on Shermie variants.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 04:43 AM UTC
I don't think Dragon do a comparable kit, the M4A2 Tarawa has the right bogies, but you'd have to change the upper hull and hull rear plate instead The M4 and M4A2 had different power plants, so there are lots of differences at the back end of the hull. M4A3 has another engine again, and the Tamiya M4A3 is a late hull, so that's the whole upper hull gone again, as well as the rear plate.

On the other hand, the two destroyed Shermans above the turretless M4 on the Beutepanzer page are both the same type as the Tamiya 'Frontline Breakthrough' M4A3

David
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Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 06:04 AM UTC

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I don't think Dragon do a comparable kit, the M4A2 Tarawa has the right bogies, but you'd have to change the upper hull and hull rear plate instead The M4 and M4A2 had different power plants, so there are lots of differences at the back end of the hull. M4A3 has another engine again, and the Tamiya M4A3 is a late hull, so that's the whole upper hull gone again, as well as the rear plate.

On the other hand, the two destroyed Shermans above the turretless M4 on the Beutepanzer page are both the same type as the Tamiya 'Frontline Breakthrough' M4A3

David


Thanks for responding David, looks like I'm gonna be on the lookout for a cheap Tamiya M4 on ebay for this one then.
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