Hi Guys,

Looking for confirmation on the markings used by The North Shore Regiment 3rd Canadian Infantry Division on D Day on their Universal carriers.

Unit Tac sign white 62 on Green (Light Green?)

Does anyone do 3rd Infantry Division Markings?

Any major difference in the shad of OD, were the Canadian Carriers browner in colour?

Any and all info welcome.

Thanks

Al

Ok,

where are all the Canadians hiding lol, lol??

Al

Hi Alan,
Try this site Cdn Marking
looks like the "Canadian Armour Markings" tab is for the WWII stuff. I didn't see what your looking for, but they may be able dig up some info on the Division your looking for.

-Bruce

Hi Bruce,

Thanks, I had a look earlier but it seems to be mostly Armoured Regiments, couldn't find any infantry carriers although I did find some jeeps.

Cheers

Al

Hey Al,
We're here, we're just watching the NHL trading deadline day antics of our favorite hockey teams, eh......
Anyway, according to my references, the North Shore Regiment were the Junior Infantry Battalion in the 8th Brigade, 3rd Canadian Infantry Division.
The White 62 on green Tac/Arm of Service marking should be correct for an NSR Universal Carrier.
As to the colour of Canadian UC's, Canadian vehicles were to be painted British Khaki Drab.
BKD is described as being similar to U.S. Olive Drab according to Canadian War Establishment sources.
With the unfortunate demise of Quartermaster Depot, your kinda limited in your source of Canadian markings, especially the 3rd CID.
You may be able to find some QD decal sets over in the U.K. but I doubt it
Another source is Tamiya's European Campaign UC, it has markings for the Royal Winnipeg Rifles.
Ultracast have a range of markings but they're mainly for Shermans.
I've been having to use Accurate Armour's various decal sets as a source of markings for my Canadian vehicle builds.
Hopefully that's of some help.
Cheers

jjumbo

Hi John,

Thanks, are their any 3ID markings around?

Cheers

Al

Hey Al,
I was just updating my post when you asked.
Sadly, unless you can get your hands on some spare Tamiya European Campaign Universal Carrier decals, the only other source is to cobble something together using markings from Accurate Armour's decal sets #DE12 & DE13.
Set #DE12 has 2 piece markings for the 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade, a gold maple leaf decal and a blue/black backing decal.
I've made 3rd CID markings by putting the maple leaf decal on top of either light blue square of paint or decal.
Not perfect but in a pinch, it does the job.
Hopefully someone will take up the torch from the dear departed Quartermaster depot and start producing some Canadian markings.
Cheers

John

Hi John,

Would the Tamiya ones do? I thought 3ID was a grey background with the yellow/gold maple leaf. The Tamiya set are blueish which is why I was asking the question lol, lol.

Cheers

Al

Hey Al,
The Tamiya decals will work just fine.
My Dad's says, as best as he can recall,that the 3rd CID Formation marking was a kinda pale blue-grey background with a gold or yellow coloured maple leaf.
Cheers

John

Hi John,

Thanks, that's one issue sorted. I have enough for the 2 vehicles.

Al

Hi Al

According to this the backing colour is French Grey, but there's only a sliver of the actual colour shown in the pic.

http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/markings_on_military_vehicles.htm

There's a colour rendering on this site too

http://milifax2003.tripod.com/home03.html

David

Hi David,

Thanks for the links. The Tamiya Decals look more like 2ID than 3ID. I remember having this problem when I built the M7.

Cheers

Al

Hi Al

BD with yet another rendering of the colour



David

OK lol, lo I'll just go blueish!!

Cheers

Al

Not sure of the 62, but the green would be a true, rich green, not light. Rather like the green in the HobbyBuy.com ads on this site.



Dunno, but they aren't too hard to make on your own. A blue-grey square with a hand painted gold/yellow (nonmetallic) leaf in the centre. There are several sources for the generic Brit "62 on green" marking. Accurate armour, Archer and Ultracast have some.



Well, it appears as if most of the line vehicles were repainted before D-Day to the SCC15 OD, so a relatively unfaded version of this would be good. SCC15 was similar in tone to US OD (Tamiya XF52 OD) with a bit of medium green thrown in to green it up a shade. It tended to fade greener than US OD, but there would be little fading on 6 June.

SCC15 was a common shade across all Commonwealth units. There was some discussion that Cdn Ford built UCs may have been painted in US OD as opposed to Brit SCC15 because the US colour was available in the Canadian factories as opposed to the SCC15 that was available in the UK. Dunno, but it's a possibility. But only on Canadian Ford build UCs, not Brit-made ones.

If you are building the Tamiy kit, it's a Brit-made carrier.

HTH

Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks for that. I was reading a bit on Canadian Carriers last night and was starting to wonder if they had any MK IIs as per the British version!! lol, lol. So I suppose my first question should have been did the North Shore Regiment have Mk II British Universal Carriers on 6 June????

Any thoughts on that one.

It's not a major problem if they didn't; I can easily switch the unit markings with a little more research.

Cheers

Al

It defnintely shouldn't be blue or blue-ish. If your first thought of the colour is "a light shade of blue", then it's not right. Its a cool grey with a hint of blue to it.

The colours on the Milifax site are as close as standard HDML colour codes could get in a 16 colour scale. The 5th Div, for instance, definitely isn't brown, but maroon. But it's as cklose as Steve could get without actually uploading JPEG photos.

The decals I remember from the Carrier were a real blue and that would be 2 div, not 3 div., althuogh I could be wrong on the decal colour.

If all else fails, you are closer using a true grey than any kind of blue.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks, French Grey it will be lol, lol, providing they had the MK II British carrier to start with.lol, lol

Cheers

Al

Hey Al,
Wikipedia has a colour rendering of the 3rd CID shoulder flash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Canadian_Infantry_Division

I dug out a European Campaign UC from my stash and Tamiya's formation marking is a bit bluer than I recalled and does look more like the 2nd CID's formation marking.
Like I suggested before, you could always paint a square of blue/grey onto your UC and add a Accurate Armour maple leaf.
It's worked well for me when I built a replica of my Dad's war time Jeep from the 1/24th scale Italeri kit.
Cheers

jjumbo

Hey Al,
It's a good bet that the UC Mk. II was used by the North Shore Regiment as Ford of Canada built them.
Here's some good photos of restored UC's on Maple Leaf Up:

http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/carriers/uc.html

Cheers

john

Hey Al,
Here's another site you may find helpful:

http://www.canadianregister.co.uk/index.html

Cheers

John

Hi John,

Thanks for the links, lots of useful info. I shall investigate AA's maple leafs.

Cheers

Al