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East German ZSU-23-4
Jon_Vancil
South Carolina, United States
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 10:57 AM UTC
Hey all, does anyone have a picture or perhaps a marking guide for an NVA ZSU-23-4? I know in 1988-1989 they had a three colour cammo scheme on other AFVs (BTR, BMP and T72 I think) in some units. The colours were dark green, black, and a medium grey. Any help appreciated.
Jacques
Minnesota, United States
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 12:31 PM UTC
Only pictures I have seen of NVA ZSU's are in the stereotypical gray-green.
Yoni_Lev
Washington, United States
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 12:58 PM UTC
Your post title says East German ZSU, but your post says NVA.
Is it the DDR paint scheme that you're looking for?
-YL
Is it the DDR paint scheme that you're looking for?
-YL
Jon_Vancil
South Carolina, United States
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 01:11 PM UTC
NVA= National Volksarmee (East German Heer) thats what I'm looking for sorry for the confusion.
Jacques, I'll take your word for it. Rats darn it I wanted to cammo the thing.
I'm trying to build West/East brothers so Gepard&ZSU, Leopard2 & T72, TPz & BTR70, etc....
As soon as the Leo2A3 is done one day, Im going to start the ZSU (it's an oldie but a goodie!).
Jacques, I'll take your word for it. Rats darn it I wanted to cammo the thing.
I'm trying to build West/East brothers so Gepard&ZSU, Leopard2 & T72, TPz & BTR70, etc....
As soon as the Leo2A3 is done one day, Im going to start the ZSU (it's an oldie but a goodie!).
Yoni_Lev
Washington, United States
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 07:39 PM UTC
Whoops, my bad. I got my NVAs all mixed up. Really, what was I thinking?
I've seen some camo pics of the ZSU-23-4, but I believe they were Polish, not East German.
-YL
I've seen some camo pics of the ZSU-23-4, but I believe they were Polish, not East German.
-YL
VolkerS
Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 08:16 PM UTC
Hi Jon,
in an issue (3/93) of the german magazine "fahrzeug" there was an article about a build of a 3-tone camouflaged ZSU 23-4 in NVA-service. It has some drawings (B/W), but unfortunatly no pic of the real thing in 3-tone camo. (give me a pm, if I should scan that article for you)
As the 3-tone camo was introduced only a short time before reunification, only few vehicles have been repainted, most show their overall green, as DDR-forces ceased to exist.
Kind regards
Volker
in an issue (3/93) of the german magazine "fahrzeug" there was an article about a build of a 3-tone camouflaged ZSU 23-4 in NVA-service. It has some drawings (B/W), but unfortunatly no pic of the real thing in 3-tone camo. (give me a pm, if I should scan that article for you)
As the 3-tone camo was introduced only a short time before reunification, only few vehicles have been repainted, most show their overall green, as DDR-forces ceased to exist.
Kind regards
Volker
guni-kid
Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 09:13 PM UTC
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Hi Jon,
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As the 3-tone camo was introduced only a short time before reunification, only few vehicles have been repainted, most show their overall green, as DDR-forces ceased to exist.
Kind regards
Volker
I totally agrre with that as my information says exactely the same. But you could be lucky indeed with this thing because the very first units to get the new camo scheme were the kind of "secret" or "locked" combat machines like the SCUD and also the Shilka. Got no pics of those right now though...
Jon_Vancil
South Carolina, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 02:38 PM UTC
Well, I dont want to paint this thing and have it incorrect. dark green it is. I took a gamble on the kit it is the ZSU-23-4V1 not entirely certain that variant was used by the NVA but the decals have NVA markings included. I've felt guilty lately loading up the "plans to build" with Bundie AFVs so the ZSU was ordered along with the Revell AG nee Dragon BTR70 (and Eduard PE for both). Thanks for the advice everyone!
Jacques
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 04:13 PM UTC
NOT Dark Green, but a grey-green for it to be proper. NVA equipment was NOT painted the same Dark Green as Soviet equipment.
To keep it correct...
The version you bought is correct.
To keep it correct...
The version you bought is correct.