I have a some questions:
i should assemble all the links and then paint the tracks ?
assemble small blocks (5 to 10 links) then paint them and apply them to the model ?
paint and assemble link by link ?
t
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Nito74
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Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 11:19 PM UTC
I have a Zvezda 1:35 JSU-152 and some Modelkasten tracks, since it's my first project with single link tracks.
I have a some questions:
i should assemble all the links and then paint the tracks ?
assemble small blocks (5 to 10 links) then paint them and apply them to the model ?
paint and assemble link by link ?
t
I have a some questions:
i should assemble all the links and then paint the tracks ?
assemble small blocks (5 to 10 links) then paint them and apply them to the model ?
paint and assemble link by link ?
t
Jacques
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Posted: Friday, March 14, 2008 - 01:26 AM UTC
I hate to say this, but all the methods you describe are all valid and used by builders.
Some people like to build the tracks onto the model completely, then paint the model and the tracks all at once.
Some like to build in 4 piece runs...top, bottom, idler and sprocket.
and some chuck glueable indys and use only "rubber band" tracks or workable resin/metal ones.
I like to pre paint the tracks black, then assemble them and "string" them over the roadwheels (making sure they do not glue on), and then paint them up as one piece seperate from the kit. Then, after the kit is built and ready, I add them and finish up any final weathering, usually the dry pastel/pigment type.
Some people like to build the tracks onto the model completely, then paint the model and the tracks all at once.
Some like to build in 4 piece runs...top, bottom, idler and sprocket.
and some chuck glueable indys and use only "rubber band" tracks or workable resin/metal ones.
I like to pre paint the tracks black, then assemble them and "string" them over the roadwheels (making sure they do not glue on), and then paint them up as one piece seperate from the kit. Then, after the kit is built and ready, I add them and finish up any final weathering, usually the dry pastel/pigment type.
generalzod
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Posted: Friday, March 14, 2008 - 11:44 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I have a Zvezda 1:35 JSU-152 and some Modelkasten tracks, since it's my first project with single link tracks.
I have a some questions:
i should assemble all the links and then paint the tracks ?
assemble small blocks (5 to 10 links) then paint them and apply them to the model ?
paint and assemble link by link ?
t
If they are workable,I assemble them,then paint I find it easier that way
Nito74
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 03:40 AM UTC
Thanks for the help, i hope to post some pics of them soon.
I started this little project of Russian Modern tanks (used after 1945) last year, not every version,
i took one version of each model.
So far i've build T-34/85, Su-100, JS-2, JS-3, T-54, T-62, T-64,T-72.
I found just 2 more tanks that were used too, a T-10 and the T-90, i can't seem to find any kit of those 2 tanks.
I'm currently finishing a T-80, PT-76 and starting the JSU-152.
Also a T-55 that i will try some aftermarket parts, alu gun barrel, 2 CMK resin sets, one Eduard P/E set and 2 Aber sets(fenders and tool boxes).
Some help and advices and critics on this project are welcome !!
I started this little project of Russian Modern tanks (used after 1945) last year, not every version,
i took one version of each model.
So far i've build T-34/85, Su-100, JS-2, JS-3, T-54, T-62, T-64,T-72.
I found just 2 more tanks that were used too, a T-10 and the T-90, i can't seem to find any kit of those 2 tanks.
I'm currently finishing a T-80, PT-76 and starting the JSU-152.
Also a T-55 that i will try some aftermarket parts, alu gun barrel, 2 CMK resin sets, one Eduard P/E set and 2 Aber sets(fenders and tool boxes).
Some help and advices and critics on this project are welcome !!
Jacques
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 07:36 AM UTC
Some notes:
- There is no plastic kit of the T-10. There is a resin kit of the T-10 by Navigator, but they are almost impossible to find and I have been warned that the castings and quality are not that great.
- The ONLY proper T-90 available is by using a Tamiya T-72 kit and a Miniarm conversion. All other conversions really build a poor T-90 or a sub-par T-72BM
- You can also add in a ISU-122 and the SU-85M, both available as kits and are both post-war use vehicles.
- The replacement, of sorts, for the PT-76 is the BMP-3. You may consider building a SKIF kit or waiting for the Trumpeter release.
- There is no plastic kit of the T-10. There is a resin kit of the T-10 by Navigator, but they are almost impossible to find and I have been warned that the castings and quality are not that great.
- The ONLY proper T-90 available is by using a Tamiya T-72 kit and a Miniarm conversion. All other conversions really build a poor T-90 or a sub-par T-72BM
- You can also add in a ISU-122 and the SU-85M, both available as kits and are both post-war use vehicles.
- The replacement, of sorts, for the PT-76 is the BMP-3. You may consider building a SKIF kit or waiting for the Trumpeter release.
t34-85
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 07:43 AM UTC
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There is a resin kit of the T-10 by Navigator, but (...) the castings and quality are not that great.
Congratulations Jaques for your "Understatement of the Year" award...
Reiter960
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 07:53 AM UTC
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Quoted TextThere is a resin kit of the T-10 by Navigator, but (...) the castings and quality are not that great.
Congratulations Jaques for your "Understatement of the Year" award...
If it's same same as their T-10 based SU-152/122 than its just bunch of chunks made from epoxy glue. That's right not resin just colored slow curing epoxy
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Thanks for the help, i hope to post some pics of them soon.
I started this little project of Russian Modern tanks (used after 1945) last year, not every version,
i took one version of each model.
So far i've build T-34/85, Su-100, JS-2, JS-3, T-54, T-62, T-64,T-72.
I found just 2 more tanks that were used too, a T-10 and the T-90, i can't seem to find any kit of those 2 tanks.
I'm currently finishing a T-80, PT-76 and starting the JSU-152.
Also a T-55 that i will try some aftermarket parts, alu gun barrel, 2 CMK resin sets, one Eduard P/E set and 2 Aber sets(fenders and tool boxes).
Some help and advices and critics on this project are welcome !!
If you plan on using CMK bits for T-55, make sure you don't use rangefinder as it is dimensionally incorrect. Model Point makes good one, but it is impossible to get hold of, at least around here. Also if you choose to beef it up with Verlinden sets, they too have some glitches. Out of curiosity, what model of T-80 are you building?
chefchris
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 08:00 AM UTC
I got a T62 BDD Conversion from them a while back for the Tamiya kit and it wasn't horrible - it was real resin - well bubbled, but resin
I always wondered what the full kits and the Mil Hind E was like.
Chris
I always wondered what the full kits and the Mil Hind E was like.
Chris
Nito74
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Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 02:27 AM UTC
Thanks guys for your help !
To Jacques:
I'm building russian versions only, and i didn't find any references of the ISU-122 and Su-85M being used after 1945 by the russian army, then again i might have looked in the wrong place
For those kits any models you recomend ?
After these i'm planning the BMP family, BMP, BTR, BTRD, BRDM types too, so that will be another post i guess...
To George:
I hope Trumpeter will build a T-10 one day....
The T-80 is a Zvezda 1/35 T-80BV with ERA part num:3592
I should have got some tracks from Friuli or modelkasten, the ones on the kit are pretty awful, the cables too.
To Jacques:
I'm building russian versions only, and i didn't find any references of the ISU-122 and Su-85M being used after 1945 by the russian army, then again i might have looked in the wrong place
For those kits any models you recomend ?
After these i'm planning the BMP family, BMP, BTR, BTRD, BRDM types too, so that will be another post i guess...
To George:
I hope Trumpeter will build a T-10 one day....
The T-80 is a Zvezda 1/35 T-80BV with ERA part num:3592
I should have got some tracks from Friuli or modelkasten, the ones on the kit are pretty awful, the cables too.
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 10:50 AM UTC
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Some notes:
- There is no plastic kit of the T-10. There is a resin kit of the T-10 by Navigator, but they are almost impossible to find and I have been warned that the castings and quality are not that great.
Actually, there was a 1/35th scale T-10 kit from Tamiya in 1967, but it was truly dismal. It had black rubber (not vinyl) tracks and no teeth on the drive sprocket. This was just before the birth of their current Military Miniatures line, which sacrificed "play value" (these kits were all motorized) for scale accuracy (okay, it another few decades to get them to completely stop compromising dimensional accuracy to make room for motors, but it was a beginning, at least).
SSGToms
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 05:22 AM UTC
I remember the Tamiya T-10 kit. It was a rug runner, motorized with a light up red searchlight on the turret. It's now un-findable and highly prized as a collectable, with a corresponding huge price tag!
Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 12:10 PM UTC
ISU-122 and SU-76M (not SU-85M, sorry) were both in use with the Red Army post-WWII...at least until the very early 1950's with reserve units.
Best kits:
ISU-122 - only DML has made one
SU-76M - Miniart just came out with a good one.
When you get to BMD, BMP, BTR series I suggest you post a new topic...there is a lot to discuss.
Best kits:
ISU-122 - only DML has made one
SU-76M - Miniart just came out with a good one.
When you get to BMD, BMP, BTR series I suggest you post a new topic...there is a lot to discuss.
Nito74
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Posted: Friday, March 21, 2008 - 03:40 AM UTC
I found a ISU-122 from Zvezda is it any good ? is it the DML kit ?
I'll wait for the Miniart one, then.
So far the T-80 and Pt-76 are finished.
The T-55 from Tamyia will be next... i'm still waiting for the Aber sets, when i have all the extras i'll get it started !
The T-10 maybe Trumpeter will get it done someday.
The T-90 i think Zvezda was putting one out, i might try to get that conversion.. or wait for the kit to come out.
As soon as i get my hands on the Modelkasten tracks i'll post my doubts and problems
thanks for your help !!
I'll wait for the Miniart one, then.
So far the T-80 and Pt-76 are finished.
The T-55 from Tamyia will be next... i'm still waiting for the Aber sets, when i have all the extras i'll get it started !
The T-10 maybe Trumpeter will get it done someday.
The T-90 i think Zvezda was putting one out, i might try to get that conversion.. or wait for the kit to come out.
As soon as i get my hands on the Modelkasten tracks i'll post my doubts and problems
thanks for your help !!
Jacques
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Posted: Friday, March 21, 2008 - 04:11 AM UTC
Good catch on the Zvezda ISU-122. That kit should be fine, but it will need new tracks at the least. The Zvezda IS-2, ISU-152, and ISU-122 are all their own kits, but with BAD tracks. They do not have the hull height problem, but they can be a bit more crude than the DML kits in places.
The T-90 is most likely NOT going to be seen from Zvezda. Everyone in the hobby industry has pretty much let it go, just like the OLD idea of a DML T-55. So the only way to get a "real" T-90 is using the Tamiya T-72 and the Miniarm Conversion sets. Yup, it will put you back about $180 for the stuff, but you get a top notch model.
T-10??? I would not hold your breath on that either.
The T-90 is most likely NOT going to be seen from Zvezda. Everyone in the hobby industry has pretty much let it go, just like the OLD idea of a DML T-55. So the only way to get a "real" T-90 is using the Tamiya T-72 and the Miniarm Conversion sets. Yup, it will put you back about $180 for the stuff, but you get a top notch model.
T-10??? I would not hold your breath on that either.
Nito74
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Posted: Friday, March 21, 2008 - 07:00 AM UTC
I will try to find the ISU-122, for the tracks i'll see if i can manage with the ISU-152 and then get them for the isu-122.
So i'm missing 4 tanks (ISU-122, su-76m, T-10 and t-90), the T-90 conversion would be great but it's a little too expensive... the T-10 is a "Mission Impossible" Kit..
do you have any references for the isu-122 and su-76m ?
Because these kits will have painting instructions schemes and unit references for WW2 for sure.
Thanks for the info!
So i'm missing 4 tanks (ISU-122, su-76m, T-10 and t-90), the T-90 conversion would be great but it's a little too expensive... the T-10 is a "Mission Impossible" Kit..
do you have any references for the isu-122 and su-76m ?
Because these kits will have painting instructions schemes and unit references for WW2 for sure.
Thanks for the info!
t34-85
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 04:05 PM UTC
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do you have any references for the isu-122 and su-76m ?
IMHO the "Military Chronicle" series is the best reference on Soviet tanks in WWII.
http://www.aviapress.com/viewproducer.htm?MCS
More specifically, you want this volume on the Su-76:
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?MCS-042
And this one with lots of photos of the JSU's:
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?MCS-032
This one from Japan is also nice:
http://ampsnz.hobbyvista.com/reviews/Books/ModelArt/jshist.htm
Unfortunately it's out of print and hard to find.
This one has some interesting photographic material about the JSU's, although it's mainly about KV's JS's:
http://www.worldwartwobooks.com/product.php/3205/stalin-s-heavy-tanks-1941-45
The Kagero volume on the SU-76 is also very nice, more of a walk-around type:
http://www.worldwartwobooks.com/product.php/3830/kagero-topshot-su-76
Same story with this one, which also covers the ZSU-37:
http://www.worldwartwobooks.com/product.php/4012/militaria-in-detail-17--russian-su-76m---zsu-37
BTW, this is the most "classic" general reference on Soviet armor in WWII, a must for everyone interested in this subject:
http://www.worldwartwobooks.com/product.php/3080/russian-tanks-of-world-war-ii--stalin-s-armoured-might
Nito74
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 07:25 AM UTC
i was looking for references of these tanks being used after 1945.
I'm building soviet tanks used after 1945, despite being build and used during the war.
Great links , thanks !
I'm building soviet tanks used after 1945, despite being build and used during the war.
Great links , thanks !
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