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DML Release new Sherman III Variant
exer
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 05:57 AM UTC
DML have announced the release of kit 6231 British Sherman Mk.III Mid Production Sicily.
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Martinnnn
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 06:13 AM UTC
Nice, after just buying the Concord book "British armour in Sicily and Italy" there are a lot of ideas here. I think a complete kit with especially these tracks is most welcome.
Martin
Martin
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 06:18 AM UTC
Hi Pat,
Thanks, ah, Murphys law again, but I'll go with the Tarawa for NWE and make the corrections.
Still I'm sure there will be a place for this one too lol, lol.
Al
Thanks, ah, Murphys law again, but I'll go with the Tarawa for NWE and make the corrections.
Still I'm sure there will be a place for this one too lol, lol.
Al
jimbrae
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 06:27 AM UTC
I like the tracks... 
postbusf
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 07:01 AM UTC
Great subject !
But it's sad that this kit has to much errors.
New towing hooks, decals and other small features will not correct this.
I think it would be better when Dragon would make a brand new ( accurate) Sherman III from the ground up with the same passion as theire german smartkits.
perhaps i am to much of a critic on this one, but i do think that it is sad that Dragon does not have a constant quality in theire whole range of kits.
Probably a nice kit when build out of the box.
But i'll pass on this one. Sorry !
Frank.
But it's sad that this kit has to much errors.
New towing hooks, decals and other small features will not correct this.
I think it would be better when Dragon would make a brand new ( accurate) Sherman III from the ground up with the same passion as theire german smartkits.
perhaps i am to much of a critic on this one, but i do think that it is sad that Dragon does not have a constant quality in theire whole range of kits.
Probably a nice kit when build out of the box.
But i'll pass on this one. Sorry !
Frank.
jimbrae
Joined: April 23, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 07:21 AM UTC
Quoted Text
But it's sad that this kit has to much errors.
New towing hooks, decals and other small features will not correct this.
I think it would be better when Dragon would make a brand new ( accurate) Sherman III from the ground up with the same passion as theire german smartkits.
perhaps i am to much of a critic on this one, but i do think that it is sad that Dragon does not have a constant quality in theire whole range of kits.
Probably a nice kit when build out of the box.
But i'll pass on this one. Sorry
Good Idea! What we'll ALL do now, is rather than look (objectively) at a new kit within our Reviews, we'll simply look at the CAD drawings, decide whether or not it's accurate and give it a rating based on the company's pre-release announcements.
Hey! This is going to save ALL the site's Reviewers so much time and energy.
I am NOT one of DML's cheerleaders, but I do, personally, prefer judging any company's product on what is actually in the production kit - not based on pre-release images.
This, every time we run a NEWS story (not a R-E-V-I-E-W) is becoming absolutely absurd.
Why the hell am I wasting time answering this?
Charlie-66
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 08:10 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextBut it's sad that this kit has to much errors.
New towing hooks, decals and other small features will not correct this.
I think it would be better when Dragon would make a brand new ( accurate) Sherman III from the ground up with the same passion as theire german smartkits.
perhaps i am to much of a critic on this one, but i do think that it is sad that Dragon does not have a constant quality in theire whole range of kits.
Probably a nice kit when build out of the box.
But i'll pass on this one. Sorry
Good Idea! What we'll ALL do now, is rather than look (objectively) at a new kit within our Reviews, we'll simply look at the CAD drawings, decide whether or not it's accurate and give it a rating based on the company's pre-release announcements.
Hey! This is going to save ALL the site's Reviewers so much time and energy.
I am NOT one of DML's cheerleaders, but I do, personally, prefer judging any company's product on what is actually in the production kit - not based on pre-release images.
This, every time we run a NEWS story (not a R-E-V-I-E-W) is becoming absolutely absurd.
Why the hell am I wasting time answering this?
Jim, I have to agree with you. I'm thrilled to be getting another Sherman, and I don't think the news is 2 days old and the complaining has already started. Rather than passing I may just have to pick up 2!
jointhepit
Joined: May 14, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 08:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextBut it's sad that this kit has to much errors.
New towing hooks, decals and other small features will not correct this.
I think it would be better when Dragon would make a brand new ( accurate) Sherman III from the ground up with the same passion as theire german smartkits.
perhaps i am to much of a critic on this one, but i do think that it is sad that Dragon does not have a constant quality in theire whole range of kits.
Probably a nice kit when build out of the box.
But i'll pass on this one. Sorry
Good Idea! What we'll ALL do now, is rather than look (objectively) at a new kit within our Reviews, we'll simply look at the CAD drawings, decide whether or not it's accurate and give it a rating based on the company's pre-release announcements.
Hey! This is going to save ALL the site's Reviewers so much time and energy.
I am NOT one of DML's cheerleaders, but I do, personally, prefer judging any company's product on what is actually in the production kit - not based on pre-release images.
This, every time we run a NEWS story (not a R-E-V-I-E-W) is becoming absolutely absurd.
Why the hell am I wasting time answering this?
Jim, I have to agree with you. I'm thrilled to be getting another Sherman, and I don't think the news is 2 days old and the complaining has already started. Rather than passing I may just have to pick up 2!
second that Jim
and Jim, please think of your heath,don't let'm get to you
greetz Tha Pit
Vodnik
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 08:23 AM UTC
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But it's sad that this kit has to much errors.
And maybe you could be a little more specific? I don't mind people pointing out specific problems in announced kits, but such meaningless comments just make me angry. VERY angry. And let's make one thing clear - you have not seen THIS kit, so you have no idea whatsoever what errors it has (or doesn't have). If you see any problem in images posted, please list them - that would be welcome and helpful. And note that even those images posted do not represent the final shape of the kit.
Pawel
exer
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 08:34 AM UTC
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perhaps i am to much of a critic on this one
Well just maybe Frank
Did you read the story? The upper hull is corrected. The engine access grills are new. We get an early flared gun barrel and an improved M34 gun shield. The transmission cover is new and the rails for mounting the lorry disguise now have spacers. Also for the first time in plastic we are getting the WE 210 tracks.
I'm not a cheerleader for Dragon either (See my review for the Eighth Army figure set) but I will order one of these kits despite the fact that I have all the bits and pieces in resin to make Brit versions already, plus two of the Tarawa kits.
Silly of Dragon to use the old CAD drawings from the Tarawa kit though.
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such meaningless comments just make me angry. VERY angry.
And you wouldn't like him when he's angry (Sorry I just saw The Hulk Movie recently)
Pawel Thanks for the work you put in on Allied modelers behalf but I'm afraid that from a lot of modeler's point of view working for DML will be a thankless task.
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 08:38 AM UTC
Hi Guys,
Have I missed something here? Didn't the Academy Grant get a total hammering before it came out because they hadn't fixed the boggies. I remember everone saying how right that was. I was reading a review of it, (the Grant) on PMMS a few nights ago and it seems to me like kit a pretty good kit, not perfect but with a little work it will build into a decent model and with an interior you get all that extra build.
I would say the same will be true for this one, even the highly rated Tasca kit need a fix on the boggie height and a new British Sherman works for me fixes or not. Love the tracks too
Now they are going in the right direction, lets hope we see some DV versions coming along. More choice is a good thing.
Alternatively if they really wanted to suprise us all they could do a Mk 6 LCT to off load them from , not that would be something
Does this mean we might be nearer to a set or two of British Tankers, or maybe some new infantry to go with it
Don't you just love Shermans!!!!!
Cheers
Al
Have I missed something here? Didn't the Academy Grant get a total hammering before it came out because they hadn't fixed the boggies. I remember everone saying how right that was. I was reading a review of it, (the Grant) on PMMS a few nights ago and it seems to me like kit a pretty good kit, not perfect but with a little work it will build into a decent model and with an interior you get all that extra build.
I would say the same will be true for this one, even the highly rated Tasca kit need a fix on the boggie height and a new British Sherman works for me fixes or not. Love the tracks too
Now they are going in the right direction, lets hope we see some DV versions coming along. More choice is a good thing.
Alternatively if they really wanted to suprise us all they could do a Mk 6 LCT to off load them from , not that would be something
Does this mean we might be nearer to a set or two of British Tankers, or maybe some new infantry to go with it
Don't you just love Shermans!!!!!
Cheers
Al
exer
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 08:54 AM UTC
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Didn't the Academy Grant get a total hammering before it came out because they hadn't fixed the bogies.
The Academy Grant got hammered because they have the correct bogies from the M7 kit but didn't bother to include them in the Grant kit, which was just stupid of them.
jjumbo
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 09:35 AM UTC
Hey guys,
As one of the guilty parties that noted the peculiarities in the Grant's turret in Academy's preview shots when first posted here on Armorama, I was pleased to find that, all in all, it was not a bad kit and could be corrected with a little TLC.
While it's a shame that they didn't fix the bogie height using the ones from the Priest, it's still far cry better than the old Tamiya kit.
The same goes for Dragon's new Sherman III, let's wait until someone actually has one in their mitts and can give an accurate, unbiased assessment of the kit.
Love the "Double I" DS tracks, I wish Dragon would package their Magic Tracks and DS tracks as separate kits.
It's brilliant that there's more new British/Commonwealth vehicles coming out !!
As far as I'm concerned, it's been a long time coming.
Cheers
jjumbo
As one of the guilty parties that noted the peculiarities in the Grant's turret in Academy's preview shots when first posted here on Armorama, I was pleased to find that, all in all, it was not a bad kit and could be corrected with a little TLC.
While it's a shame that they didn't fix the bogie height using the ones from the Priest, it's still far cry better than the old Tamiya kit.
The same goes for Dragon's new Sherman III, let's wait until someone actually has one in their mitts and can give an accurate, unbiased assessment of the kit.
Love the "Double I" DS tracks, I wish Dragon would package their Magic Tracks and DS tracks as separate kits.
It's brilliant that there's more new British/Commonwealth vehicles coming out !!
As far as I'm concerned, it's been a long time coming.
Cheers
jjumbo
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 09:36 AM UTC
Hi Pat,
Yes I know that, but the principle is pretty much the same, so why should Dragon be exempt.
There was a logo when we went to the pictures when I was young, can't remember who it belonged to but it went something like this. "We can't please all of the people all the time but we try to please most of the people most of the time"
If the kit does have flaws (and I don't know if it does - seems pretty good to me) then it's good that they are identified, but fix them, improve on them, built the kit if you want or not as you choose, but have a lot of fun along the way
If Dragon have got something wrong then they should know better by now, so I haven't got much sympathy for them. I'm sure they have been down this road before!
Great News, it certainly is a bumper year for Allied modellers regardless of any specific issues.
Al
Yes I know that, but the principle is pretty much the same, so why should Dragon be exempt.
There was a logo when we went to the pictures when I was young, can't remember who it belonged to but it went something like this. "We can't please all of the people all the time but we try to please most of the people most of the time"
If the kit does have flaws (and I don't know if it does - seems pretty good to me) then it's good that they are identified, but fix them, improve on them, built the kit if you want or not as you choose, but have a lot of fun along the way
If Dragon have got something wrong then they should know better by now, so I haven't got much sympathy for them. I'm sure they have been down this road before!
Great News, it certainly is a bumper year for Allied modellers regardless of any specific issues.
Al
ALBOWIE
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 09:56 AM UTC
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Great subject !
But it's sad that this kit has to much errors.
New towing hooks, decals and other small features will not correct this.
Frank.
Frank can you elaborate on the errors you percieve. As for Jim I am a strident critic of DML but usually wait until I have the object to critique it. From Pawels response I believe they have addressed the small errors of the original kit which is quite commendable. The addition of the WE 210 is a bonus on top as is the Flared Gun barrell
I'd welcome your views on what will be wrong?
Al
Vodnik
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 10:01 AM UTC
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From Pawels response I believe they have addressed the small errors
And I would like to make it clear that I'm quite certain that this new kit (as practically any other) will still have several errors in it - major for some modelers and minor for others. But indeed several of those that were most often mentioned in previous M4A2/Sherman III kit reviews were addressed.
Pawel
ALBOWIE
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 10:10 AM UTC
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Hi Guys,
Have I missed something here? Didn't the Academy Grant get a total hammering before it came out because they hadn't fixed the boggies. I remember everone saying how right that was. I was reading a review of it, (the Grant) on PMMS a few nights ago and it seems to me like kit a pretty good kit, not perfect but with a little work it will build into a decent model and with an interior you get all that extra build.
Don't you just love Shermans!!!!!
Cheers
Al
Alan and John, The Academy grant has two flawas as I saw it in the flesh. The Bogies and the Track ; perfectly good for T51 but as most Brit M3 Med had WE 210 - dissapointing. I was pleased to see Terry corrected his view on the Hull angle which I never agreed with after measuring up a few examples at Puckapunyal and taking the time to send him the Hull Plans.
The Turret is interesting as I looked at two Australian Grants sitting side by side and they had differing Turret shapes (only slightly). The Academy one matched one of these almost perfectly but I would rub down all the ridges as i thought they were just a bit "Sharp".
Academy deserved to be pilloried for what they did with the Grant. If they had the sense to put the M7 Bogie set in and had done new tracks it was a real winner. Now it will be consigned to the shelf by most modellers and avoided.
I intend to use the tracks from this Sherman when it comes for my Grant along with the spare M3 Bogies from the M7
I hope DML continues the Small step improvement of the M4 family as a small step from this one is Vehicle 37 "Churchill" which has a DV hull and M4 Suspension plus 1 pce nose. A small step from that is an Alamein one with M3 Suspension and 3 piece nose, the next small step is an M4 (US) for Tunisia with DV, M3 Suspension . Then once they have the M3 Suspension an early M4A1 etc etc etc.
A new M4A2 and a new Composite. I was of the belief that this year couldn't get any better but I was wrong (again)
Al
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 12:14 PM UTC
Hi Al,
Thanks for that, that's what I though from the PMMS review, a new set of boggies should put the Grant right and there are several AM products to choose from so this one is one the buy list for me. As I haven't t build a British/Commonwealth tank yet that didn't need some if not a lot of work I see the Grant as a real welcome addition and some AFV club tracks will probably fix it up nicely. Anyway sure that's half the fun, but I'm looking forward to getting one lol, lol.
With all these new Shermans coming out I'm way behind in my build programme lol, lol, so many choices with ACs, New Churchills, Stuarts, Priests, the list just keeps getting longer. Happy days. Then there's a Scammell, Hillman Tilly, Universal Carrier options, it's been like Christmas all year Bank account is sure taking a few blows lol, lol.
Cheers
Al
Thanks for that, that's what I though from the PMMS review, a new set of boggies should put the Grant right and there are several AM products to choose from so this one is one the buy list for me. As I haven't t build a British/Commonwealth tank yet that didn't need some if not a lot of work I see the Grant as a real welcome addition and some AFV club tracks will probably fix it up nicely. Anyway sure that's half the fun, but I'm looking forward to getting one lol, lol.
With all these new Shermans coming out I'm way behind in my build programme lol, lol, so many choices with ACs, New Churchills, Stuarts, Priests, the list just keeps getting longer. Happy days. Then there's a Scammell, Hillman Tilly, Universal Carrier options, it's been like Christmas all year
Bank account is sure taking a few blows lol, lol.Cheers
Al
malcolm
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Posted: Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 07:15 PM UTC
Check out the tracks, where do I get one of these, in fact, a couple of these
malc.
thebear
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Posted: Friday, March 21, 2008 - 02:10 AM UTC
I understand the fact that we all should wait to see the actual kit before complaining ,but Dragon really should have changed their drawings before presenting it to the public..I for one read the fact that they changed the hull but when I look at the CAD drawings the first thing that came into my head is 'they didn't fix the space in front of the periscopes ." Okay what were we to think ...A picture says a thousand words ...I now know it has been fixed but at first I was quite disappointed ..Glad to see Pavel is working hard to get us better Allied kits ...Good job sir !! 
Your efforts are really appreiciated.
Rick
Your efforts are really appreiciated.Rick
tkirt69
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Posted: Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:57 AM UTC
finally!!!! we need more British tanks!!!
-tim
-tim
postbusf
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 05:44 AM UTC
@ Jim,
You are totaly right about comment's on newly anounced kits.
My comment was out of line.
@ Al Bowie,
To be specific on what is or could be wrong are the smoke distractors on top of the hull and on the turret (undersized)
the exhaust will probably be wrong to, like on the tarawa and Sherman III kits.
For the rest of the so called errors I did comment to fast.
I did speak before I saw that Dragon made some (serious) updates to this kit.
I thought that it was the tarawa kit with some new decals and PE and extra's.
Like Jim said, first look at this kit and then comment.
Some lessons are learned here, I guess !
I will be more carefull in the future !
Frank.
You are totaly right about comment's on newly anounced kits.
My comment was out of line.
@ Al Bowie,
To be specific on what is or could be wrong are the smoke distractors on top of the hull and on the turret (undersized)
the exhaust will probably be wrong to, like on the tarawa and Sherman III kits.
For the rest of the so called errors I did comment to fast.
I did speak before I saw that Dragon made some (serious) updates to this kit.
I thought that it was the tarawa kit with some new decals and PE and extra's.
Like Jim said, first look at this kit and then comment.
Some lessons are learned here, I guess !
I will be more carefull in the future !
Frank.
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