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M4A3-E8 Sherman "Mothers Finest"
DRAGONWAGON
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 08:54 PM UTC
Hi Gang,

After a long period of silence, here's some pics of my latest project.
This kit was a gift from my mother, who gave it to me approx. one month before she lost her hard battle against cancer, June last year.
This is the Dragon kit, with Friul tracks, some leftover PE and painted with Gunze colors.
Figures are from Dragon (slightly modified) and Alpine.
Pics were taken by a fellow KMK club member, Marcel Jussen; Thanx Marcel!!
Although some little things still to do on this model, I'll call it done...

Shoot!!

Grtz, John.





sgtreef
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 10:45 PM UTC
Looks good but I am not a Sherman builder.

I think they like the thing to look like this right here.



Nice job on yours.
exer
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 11:02 PM UTC
Nice work John, Glad you're posting again. Good paintwork and nicely done subtle weathering. Are the friul tracks metal? What are they like to work with?
Any photos of the stowage on the rear deck?

The only thing that looks strange to me is the gap between the bolted on armor on the transmission cover and the welded on armor on the glacis plate- I don't think the gap should be there.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 11:10 PM UTC
Sorry to hear about your mom John.
You did a really nice job on the kit.
Hopefully you'll keep it in a safe place as a wonderful "keepsake".
DRAGONWAGON
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 11:15 PM UTC
@ Pat,

The Friuls are indeed white metal, and they work and fit like a gem!! There are even casting numbers on each track.
Regarding the bolted-on plate, according the picture I used for this model, there wás a gap between the two plates. I think they did it this way, so they didn't have to remove the lowest plate when servicing the transmission....But this is just my thought....

Grtz, John.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 11:33 PM UTC
Hi John, welcome back!

Sad to hear about your loss, but good work on the sherman!

Cheers/Jan
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 12:01 AM UTC
Hi John
Looks good!! Especially the commander....I can almost feel the cold in my own hands!
Very well done!
Best regards
Jacob
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 01:28 AM UTC
Great looking kit you have there. I like the weathering on the tracks/wheels. I hope mine turn out that good.

I have the fruil tracks too and I found them a pain to drill out every last link. Got through a couple of drill bits and damaged lots of links in the process.

Des
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 02:04 AM UTC
John-- good to see you back. Accept our condolences over the loss of your Mom. Good job on the tank.
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 02:34 AM UTC

I'm sorry for your loss John...

Wow! Very VERY good weathering John. There's usually some difficulty in making a Sherman really interesting but this has definitely caught my eye.


Charlie
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 03:32 AM UTC
Condolences, John. Very sorry to hear of your bereavement.

That's a very nice "tribute build" though (great crew figures too) - thanks for sharing it with us.

- Steve
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 04:04 AM UTC
My Sincere condolences.. Super Job on both figures and Sherman. Very COOL !
DRAGONWAGON
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 06:53 AM UTC
Thanks a lot for the kind words, guys,

It means a lot to me, that I'm not forgotten after quite a period of silence.
I enjoyed this built a lot, and I've threw in a lot of new techniques, which were tought to me by fellow modellers at the KMK Scale-Word modelling club in Belgium....

Thanx a lot guys!!

John.
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 12:16 PM UTC
Beautiful Sherman, John! You did a terrific job. Please accept my condolences, as well, for your loss. Hang in there and keep building. Best regards, Dave
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 12:34 PM UTC
John, very sorry about your Mother, my deepest sympathy. My name is Ronny, i'm somewhat new here. One word sums up your Sherman ---EXCELLENT!!

Best regards Ronny
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 03:03 PM UTC

Quoted Text

@ Pat,

The Friuls are indeed white metal, and they work and fit like a gem!! There are even casting numbers on each track.
Regarding the bolted-on plate, according the picture I used for this model, there wás a gap between the two plates. I think they did it this way, so they didn't have to remove the lowest plate when servicing the transmission....But this is just my thought....

Grtz, John.



John is absolutely right -- they did it to be able to remove the final drive.

The "no-gap" final drive armor was actually in two parts. The top armor plate bolted on over the FD's bolt strip to allow its removal to give access to the bolt strip. Another piece was bolted or welded directly below it on the final drive itself. Dragon's kit gives this to you as one piece, but it should really be two. Easy fix with a razor saw and some detailing.

And John: Very sorry about your Mom. Nice to see you bounce back with a fine model.
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 03:06 PM UTC
Woo, great work! Using a Chinese word, we call it “ding"!
Actually I have this DML 6183, I will upload it later, but I think my work suffers a big problem in its track.
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 03:57 PM UTC
hi john,

WOW!!! i could only hope mine comes out half as good.
great job! what method did you use for weathering?

thanx for posting!

Ron
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 06:52 AM UTC

Quoted Text

John is absolutely right -- they did it to be able to remove the final drive.

The "no-gap" final drive armor was actually in two parts. The top armor plate bolted on over the FD's bolt strip to allow its removal to give access to the bolt strip. Another piece was bolted or welded directly below it on the final drive itself. Dragon's kit gives this to you as one piece, but it should really be two. Easy fix with a razor saw and some detailing.



I know why the piece was bolted on Bob I've just never seen a photo with that gap showing I actually have a feature here on the Thunderbolt VII kit showing the correct way to alter the one piece armor Dml supply.

John, again great model.
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 03:40 PM UTC
Right on, Pat. But truth is they did it both ways -- field mods are not very consistent, even within the same unit..
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 04:35 PM UTC
my condolences..sad to hear about your mom john.

nice job on the kit...specially the weathering on the wheels and tracks..nice to see more photos of your sherman. thanks for sharing.
sgtreef
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 01:59 AM UTC
Sorry for not catching that your Mom had passed my condolences.

I do have a question what color did you paint those tracks?
DRAGONWAGON
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 02:28 AM UTC
Hi Jeff,

the tracks received a base coat of a 50-50 mixture of Tamiya nato black XF-69 and Red brown XF-64. Then the wheel mark was done by a graphite-pencil.
After that the tracks and running gear were covered with Europe Dust pigments by MIG productions.

HTH, John.
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 04:09 AM UTC
Hi John. Nice looking build. Great paint job. My condolences for the loss of your mother. I also lost my mom to cancer 17 years ago. I still miss her. Keep up the good work and take care. Regards, Bob
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:57 AM UTC
Good news!!

yesterday, I participated in a modelling contest in Leopoldsburg, Belgium, and won a gold medal in the advanced class with this vehicle!!
..and even better: It was also considered "the best US vehicle WWII era" and with this title I won an original engraved 75mm Sherman shell of 1942!!

I'm over the moon!!

Grtz, John.
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