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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 01:32 PM UTC
All you Australian armour experts out there, could the Trumpeter LAV-R be transformed into one of these? These appear to be LAV Recovery vehicles with a RWS, similar to what the Stryker uses. Any thoughts?
Bill
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 09:04 PM UTC
Yes but with a lot of modification. If you look at the bottom pic you can see the modified rear of the Aussie Fitters Version (The Recovery Version is different again). We only ever had 1 Lav R which was the trials vehicle at 2 CAV (and incidentally the first LAV I ever got to drive) and now resides in the Army Museum at Bandiana.
http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/aslavph_2.htm
Al
http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armoured%20Vehicles/aslavph_2.htm
Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 12:59 AM UTC
Al
Thanks for the nomenclature, so the one in the bottom picture is a fitters vehicle, is it plausible that the other pics are Fitters as well? The pictures are off the Aussie Defense site and they are consecutive so I was hoping that they were the same vehicle. So, just to be clear the Australians only use theLAV Fitter vehicle, the only LAV-R is as you say in the museum. In some images I have seen what appears to be similar to the Canadian Bison and then there was this one that looked similar only fitted with the crane and the RWS, a very interesting vehicle.
Any idea where I might find some good walk around views of the vehicle(s) I have shown above?
Thanks for your comments and the link.
Bill
Thanks for the nomenclature, so the one in the bottom picture is a fitters vehicle, is it plausible that the other pics are Fitters as well? The pictures are off the Aussie Defense site and they are consecutive so I was hoping that they were the same vehicle. So, just to be clear the Australians only use theLAV Fitter vehicle, the only LAV-R is as you say in the museum. In some images I have seen what appears to be similar to the Canadian Bison and then there was this one that looked similar only fitted with the crane and the RWS, a very interesting vehicle.
Any idea where I might find some good walk around views of the vehicle(s) I have shown above?
Thanks for your comments and the link.
Bill
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:23 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Any idea where I might find some good walk around views of the vehicle(s) I have shown above?
Sorry Bill, no walkaround, just some pics from anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com
ASLAV-F :
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:31 AM UTC
Frenchy
Thanks for those, I went to Al's link and found them as well. Still on the look out for the one with the RWS mounted. I had a pretty good look at the RWS and it looks like the one used on the Strykers without the smoke poppers. I wonder why the Australian Government would buy the Crows system for the Bushmasters and this RWS for the LAV's, seems like you'd want to have one system so it'd be easier to maintain and service?
Thanks for posting the pictures.
Bill
Thanks for those, I went to Al's link and found them as well. Still on the look out for the one with the RWS mounted. I had a pretty good look at the RWS and it looks like the one used on the Strykers without the smoke poppers. I wonder why the Australian Government would buy the Crows system for the Bushmasters and this RWS for the LAV's, seems like you'd want to have one system so it'd be easier to maintain and service?
Thanks for posting the pictures.
Bill
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:44 AM UTC
OOOPS I should have been more careful while reading Al's post...
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 01:46 AM UTC
Frenchy
No worries, now everyone can see the other vehicles in context within the thread.
It is all good.
Bill
No worries, now everyone can see the other vehicles in context within the thread.
It is all good.
Bill
poibruddah
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 05:37 AM UTC
Aloha guys!! Sorry, a little off the subject, but can anyone tell me who has the best conversion set out for the ASLAV?
Thank you in advance!!!
p.s. oh-really interesting photo of the RWS on that ASLAV-R
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 10:20 AM UTC
Kurt
I know for sure that Mouse House Models in Australian make a series II now and it is rumored that the series III will be coming out soon.
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Catalogue.htm
Series III in progress
There was a rumor that Real Models might do one, they have already released and sold out of the NZLAV. These all I know of for now.
Let me know if you find some one else OK?
Bill
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Bill
I know for sure that Mouse House Models in Australian make a series II now and it is rumored that the series III will be coming out soon.
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Catalogue.htm
Series III in progress
There was a rumor that Real Models might do one, they have already released and sold out of the NZLAV. These all I know of for now.
Let me know if you find some one else OK?
Bill
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 11:20 AM UTC
Hi Bill,
I finished NZLAV III, I think that after 14+21 day are a ready.
Miloslav
I finished NZLAV III, I think that after 14+21 day are a ready.
Miloslav
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 12:27 PM UTC
Miloslav
I checked your website and saw the NZLAV and saw "out of stockt" and thought that they must have been very popular, thanks for the confirmation on your production schedule. Any thoughts on an ASLAV?
Bill
I checked your website and saw the NZLAV and saw "out of stockt" and thought that they must have been very popular, thanks for the confirmation on your production schedule. Any thoughts on an ASLAV?
Bill
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 02:04 PM UTC
Sorry to take so long. No, the Australian repair and maintenance is an entirely different creature in practice to the US system with a lot of Repair done by SQN embedded Technical Support Sub units. at First line level. Organic to this is the equipment such as the LAV F and LAV R. We still have LAV R which is shown in the Link I sent. They are just different from the original USMC LAV R which is a combination of both of ours.
The "Fitters" is actually crewed by Vehicle Mechanics (or was when I was with 2 CAV) and do Vehicle repairs including Engine changes etc.
The "Recovery" variant has a specialist Recovery role and is usually crewed by a specialist Recovery Mechanic and a Small Arms Fitter . I believe the manning for both vehicles is a bit larger than the old 113 crews. Both Variants are quite different from the LAVR by Trumpeter and the LAVC Hull. We have full width raised rears.
As for Models the Mousehouse stuff is the only way to go and the best donor is the Trumpeter kit. I saw a preview of the Aussie raised rear variant from Mousehouse which will be a start. I'd expect more to follow.
This is one of the best places to get info re ASLAV.
http://www.aussiemodeller.com/pages/discussiongroup/forum.html'
Also try a search through the official DoD site:
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2008/Apr/index.htm
Cheers
Al
The "Fitters" is actually crewed by Vehicle Mechanics (or was when I was with 2 CAV) and do Vehicle repairs including Engine changes etc.
The "Recovery" variant has a specialist Recovery role and is usually crewed by a specialist Recovery Mechanic and a Small Arms Fitter . I believe the manning for both vehicles is a bit larger than the old 113 crews. Both Variants are quite different from the LAVR by Trumpeter and the LAVC Hull. We have full width raised rears.
As for Models the Mousehouse stuff is the only way to go and the best donor is the Trumpeter kit. I saw a preview of the Aussie raised rear variant from Mousehouse which will be a start. I'd expect more to follow.
This is one of the best places to get info re ASLAV.
http://www.aussiemodeller.com/pages/discussiongroup/forum.html'
Also try a search through the official DoD site:
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2008/Apr/index.htm
Cheers
Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 03:00 PM UTC
The ASLAV F is a type III hull. It is close to matching the Type II (PC) but has a recess like the LAV R for the crane. It has no ramp unlike the PC version.
The RWS mount is the same as the Stryker with a few changes/additions.
Depending on the deployment will also depend on whether or not the engine deck mount is fitted. Most will be fitted with the RWS off the C/C cupola. This also applies to the ASLAV PC.
As for the ASLAV R, i dont know at this stage if they have been deployed OS.
As Al stated, the crews are made up of driver and crew commander trained RAEME members that are attached to each Line Sqn. Manning is still the same Al. 2 crew members for each car on most occasions.
Cheers Jason
The RWS mount is the same as the Stryker with a few changes/additions.
Depending on the deployment will also depend on whether or not the engine deck mount is fitted. Most will be fitted with the RWS off the C/C cupola. This also applies to the ASLAV PC.
As for the ASLAV R, i dont know at this stage if they have been deployed OS.
As Al stated, the crews are made up of driver and crew commander trained RAEME members that are attached to each Line Sqn. Manning is still the same Al. 2 crew members for each car on most occasions.
Cheers Jason
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 08:28 PM UTC
Thanks Jason, I wan't sure if they had increased the Crewing or not. We used to vary the crewing by adding Radio/Radar mechs and extra Greasers etc.
Cheers
Al
Cheers
Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 12:28 AM UTC
Jason and Al
I followed up on the Aussie Modellers website and for clarities sake I'll repost Jason's explanation about the various "Phases" of the Australian LAV's
And some addition comments
A very helpful explanation again by Jason Miller about the conversion of the Trumpeter LAV-R into an Aussie Phase II Fitter
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1189674528/who+use+the+lav25+R
Iwthout the RWS
Bill
I followed up on the Aussie Modellers website and for clarities sake I'll repost Jason's explanation about the various "Phases" of the Australian LAV's
Quoted Text
Re ASLAV Type 1 Phase 1-3
March 23 2008, 4:19 AM
G'day Chris,
Cut a long story short. The Phase 1, were the trial Lav 25’s from the USMC.
Phase II, were the initial shipment to the Army with the Australian mods.
Phase III are the latest cars handed over and the the rest of the fleet upgraded to Phase III spec's. However (there is always a however), I have seen a few cars that are a hybrid of Phase II and III. For instance one car might have the latest gun sights but still retain the Phase II style ballistic covers. As for the individual differences it would take a week to explain everything. The main things are Phase II-III (from front to rear) are headlight assembly, trim vane, brush guards, engine deck, divers hatch, drivers HUD, air filters, exhaust, aux power hatch, jerry can mounts, pioneer tool mounts, cam net mounts, cam pole mount (III), props and guards, indicators (II and III differ), spare tyre rack (II and III differ), tank phone, IVNS (III), CC and Gunner hatches, Gun sights and sight heads along with ballistic shields (II and III differ), GPS (III), Smoke grenade launches and a host of other little bits and pieces. I wont even try to explain the interior. But these are the main bits to worry about, but not for long. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. So long as the Army gives me a chance to finish a few parts before they change it again.
Ok we all know its in the works and I keep saying its not to far off. But now I am one really big step closer. And that’s all I have to say about that.
Any other questions Chris just let me know.
Cheers Jason Miller
And some addition comments
Quoted Text
Phase III also differ if they are in Australia, Iraq or Afghanistan. Bar Armour for the Iraq cars, standard Phase III in OZ and basically standard Phase III in Afghanistan with a few mods here and there.
Cheers Jason
A very helpful explanation again by Jason Miller about the conversion of the Trumpeter LAV-R into an Aussie Phase II Fitter
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1189674528/who+use+the+lav25+R
Iwthout the RWS
Bill
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 12:38 AM UTC
A couple of pics that Frenchy found
and another with bar (slat?)armour
Thanks Frenchy
Bill
and another with bar (slat?)armour
Thanks Frenchy
Bill
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Posted: Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 06:39 AM UTC
Frenchy found another.
One can see what obviously needs to be done to the rear "cabin" to begin modifications towards a ASLAV F on this Trumpeter LAV_R kit.
Bill
PS Al Bowie's review of the Lav-R, relevant to the ASLAV-F.
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/modern/trumpeter00370reviewab_1.html
One can see what obviously needs to be done to the rear "cabin" to begin modifications towards a ASLAV F on this Trumpeter LAV_R kit.
Bill
PS Al Bowie's review of the Lav-R, relevant to the ASLAV-F.
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/modern/trumpeter00370reviewab_1.html
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 06:40 PM UTC
I know it's a bit 
but I'm sure Bill won't mind 
. After spending some time trying to make up my mind, I've decided to take the easy way and ask here.
Is this an ASLAV-R (I'm 99% certain it is...) ? The pointed item definitely looks like a spade to me...
TIA
Frenchy
PS : sorry for the digression Bill !
but I'm sure Bill won't mind . After spending some time trying to make up my mind, I've decided to take the easy way and ask here.Is this an ASLAV-R (I'm 99% certain it is...) ? The pointed item definitely looks like a spade to me...
TIA
Frenchy
PS : sorry for the digression Bill !
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 06:59 PM UTC
Yes that is an ASLAV-R. It and the F are the only varients to have the open hatch that can be seen in that location. The ASLAV PC does not.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 07:59 PM UTC
Thanks for the confirmation Ray !
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:07 AM UTC
Frenchy
Well done! I guess all the ASLAV R's aren't in museums then ;0) some are working very hard! It is interesting that this variant is very hard to find pictures of. Ray thanks for confirmation about the hatch location, that will probably help ID others.
Good detective work Frenchy.
Bill
Well done! I guess all the ASLAV R's aren't in museums then ;0) some are working very hard! It is interesting that this variant is very hard to find pictures of. Ray thanks for confirmation about the hatch location, that will probably help ID others.
Good detective work Frenchy.
Bill
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Posted: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:38 AM UTC
Quoted Text
We only ever had 1 Lav R which was the trials vehicle at 2 CAV (and incidentally the first LAV I ever got to drive) and now resides in the Army Museum at Bandiana.
It should be the one pictured on Primeportal (even it is misleadingly labeled as "ASLAV-R") :
Bandiana LAV-R
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 10:53 AM UTC
Guys
A point of clarification.
The Bandiana museum one is a LAV-R (ex USMC) only one ever used.
The ones the Australian Army uses today is an ASLAV -R. They are quite different vehicles externally from the waist up.
John Myszka
A point of clarification.
The Bandiana museum one is a LAV-R (ex USMC) only one ever used.
The ones the Australian Army uses today is an ASLAV -R. They are quite different vehicles externally from the waist up.
John Myszka
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 12:11 PM UTC
As John pointed out the LAV - R and ASLAV-R are entirely different beasts. The LAV -R is in a museum but the ASLAV R is in service (usually paired with the F variants in the TSSU (Technical Support Sub Unit) Tp of the cavalry Squadrons. The ASLAV R has a similar raised rear to the F variant. Check the pics on Anzac Steel and you'll see the difference.
Cheers
Al
Cheers
Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 01:43 PM UTC
Thanks for the clarification. Both Frenchy and I have been searching for pictures of the ASLAV F and R on the various web sites with some luck. Does anyone have some other clear close up pictures and various angles, of the rear support legs (nomenclature) on the ASLAV R? Can't wait for some body to make a conversion kit for these variants.
Best to you both.
Bill
Best to you both.
Bill
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