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Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 11:43 PM UTC
Hi all,
Looking for a British tank that was painted in a pinkish color and used at the last Battle in which like 96 went out and about 75 were destroyed.
Anybody have any idea of the model was like a Lee or Grant lower hull ?And something that looked like a Sherman on upper hull.
Did that make sense can't think of the model or kit but want to do one.
In pink of cause.
Thanks mates
Oklahoma, United States
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 12:35 AM UTC
Well to come back to the top and found it the M4A1 and using the Grant from Tamiya.
El Alamein was the Battle.
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 01:30 AM UTC
There's is nothing in plastic as these tanks had the direct vision slots, Formations, Tankworkshop, Cromwell do acorrect upper hull, Not sure if Cromwell do the running gear but Formations,Tankworkshop, ABM and resicast do. For a donor kit you could use the Tasca M4A1 or the Dml M4A1/75mm. The Tamiya Grant suspension comes with the wrong wheels.
Pat
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 03:04 AM UTC
Hi Jeff,
looking for one of these?
M4A1 Sherman Mk II DV (early)
Pat is right. Your best option would be the Tasca M4A1 as the older Dragon kit is hard to get. I used the boggies from an old Tamiya Grant as buying the kit was cheaper than getting the AM set. (The Grant wheels are wrong though) Also you need the early gun mount which I believe you get with the Tasca kit. I used sand shields from an old Tamiya kit and fashioned the side railings and bin from plastic.
Check the tool arrangement on the back of the tank as it differs from later versions.
The Formations DV hull was good to work with, although the others are no doubt equally good.
Have fun and hope that helps.
Al
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Winston Spencer Churchill
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 03:23 AM UTC
Does anyone know what color paints have to be mixed to get the "pink" color results? Looks impressive.
thanks
DJ
DJ Judge
COL (R), USA
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 04:08 AM UTC
Hi DJ,
There is an example in the Osprey M4 Sherman book (No 14). - Rodrigo Cabos and John Prigent. The base colour they used was 70% pink and 30% desert yellow.
There is always dedate about whether or not there were actually 'pink' tanks and exactly what the colour was if there were. The vets said their tanks were pink so that was good enough for me.
Choose a shade
and have fun. Just mix up enough 'pink' for the purpose and a little extra. Mine changed colour several times
Cheers
Al
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Winston Spencer Churchill
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 04:45 AM UTC
looking for a site that shows different camo schemes for shermans in all theatres. anyone know of such a site ? thanks
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 04:59 AM UTC
Quoted Text
looking for a site that shows different camo schemes for shermans in all theatres. anyone know of such a site ?
No such thing. Your best bet is to get hold of Mike Starmer's books on British/Commonwealth camouflage schemes. It's a VERY complex area which requires the approach of someone like Starmer...
If you're talking about U.S. M4s, it gets into the area of 'Field-Applied' camo as well which varied from division to division...
Virginia, United States
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 06:25 AM UTC
Al-- certainly is a model worth copying. Look great on the shelf.
thanks
DJ
DJ Judge
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 07:06 AM UTC
Hi DJ,
I used the AFV Club T51 rubber block track (I think), but be careful there are only exactly enough pads per track so if the carpet gremlins get one you might have a problem. Needless to say I spent a fair amount of time crawling around on the floor
Have fun.
Al
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Winston Spencer Churchill
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 11:09 AM UTC
Bloody Good Mate right on that is what I am looking for.
Damn AL you even nailed the paint.
Have the book and saw the model and want to build one to break up all them Dark gray green and sand color things,need some nice pinkish color plus I think it looks mighty cool.
Tracks are flat pads Correct or different?
Thanks a Bunch buddies.
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 05:10 PM UTC
Invest a small sum and get a copy of the "The New Breed" which will give you lots of Colour plates of very colourful Shermans of both the A1 and A2 variety in the NA Desert. Have a look in the review section.
The best source of an M4A1 DV IMHO is to get the excellent Formations kit and their M3 Bogies. Cheers
Al
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 06:51 PM UTC
HI Jeff,
Al Bowie's right, the New Breed will give you some interesting schemes and lots of ideas.
Yip, flat pads are the ones. I still need to add the antenna and don't forget a pennant which will finish it off.
Have fun.
Al
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Winston Spencer Churchill
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 01:21 AM UTC
Thanks to both Al's.
I will get the Dragon kit for the lower hull and the Formation kit for upper and whatever.
Now on to the "Pink" tank.
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 05:32 AM UTC
Hi Jeff,
I'd go for the Tasca kit, if it isn't that much more expensive. I switched the turret on the kit to a Tamiya one as it has a better shape than the Dragin offering which needs a bit of work.
What ever combination you choose, have fun.
Al
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Winston Spencer Churchill
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 05:41 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Jeff,
I'd go for the Tasca kit, if it isn't that much more expensive. I switched the turret on the kit to a Tamiya one as it has a better shape than the Dragin offering which needs a bit of work.
What ever combination you choose, have fun.
Al
Gosh Al now you have me wondering.
I Want to build The Tamiya kit as a separate Sherman one of these days.
Are we talking about this Sherman.
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 07:15 AM UTC
Hi Jeff,
if you're going to use the Dragon M4A1 as a donor kit then the turret needs some work or better still replaced.
If you're going to use the Tasca M4A1 as a donor then the turret should be fine.
Both have the early gun mantle which is what you want.
The Dragon turret has the outline of the second loaders hatch from the VC if I remember correctly and it's not quite the right shape.
Don't worry you can mate the upper and lower bit of turrets reasonably easily and fill in the gaps with milliput or whatever your prefered filler is.
The Dragon kit has no sand shields and neiher does the Tasca kit although it does have the correct track, so you will either have to use a set from the Tamiya kit or make your own. I used the Tamiya ones and just thinned them out.
You need the 3 piece transmission and will probably have a spare in the kit you have.
It really depends on the donor kit you choose and how fussy you want to be. You can make the side rails and basket for the front fender from plastic strip, or brass if you prefer.
Either kit should have the correct early spoked wheels. For boggies you can get AM sets or use the ones from the old Grant. The advantage of the Grant is that you can use the side stowage boxes and early lights on an early M7 if you want , and you get a figure you could also use for pretty much the same prices as a resin set of boggies lol, lol. Throw the Grant early wheels away or use them heavily hidden in some form of stowage somewhere else.
If you have the M4 book then it pretty much outlines what you need, then it's a matter of chossing the donor kit.
Hope that helps give you some choices, it's very much a mix and match build.
Cheers
Al
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Winston Spencer Churchill
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 01:30 PM UTC
The M4A3 kits have the late style turret--the Tamiya M4 has the low bustle turret (but these kits also have problems).
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 01:45 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks to both Al's.
I will get the Dragon kit for the lower hull and the Formation kit for upper and whatever.
Now on to the "Pink" tank.
The Italeri M4A1 has the correct lower hull but offers little else other than wheels. The Formations set you want has a turret and Hull included. The Tamiya M4 has a really good turret but it has the late mantlet and rotor shield.
The DML turret has the correct Rotor shield and mantlet but it has the opening for them set too high in the turret face and the renmants of the old Vc loaders hatch visible and hard to sand out without resurfacing/texturing.
Cheers
Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 11:16 PM UTC
