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My first model in a long time - an IS-2m
BorisS
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 08:37 AM UTC
Hi all, I finally finished my first (sort of) model. I say sort of because I have been modeling before when I was around 6-7 and then again when I was 11-12 but as you can expect, those were not really very good attempts. Bad kits, bad tools, bad work. I have dropped modeling for a while since then and pursued other interests, like airsoft, model railroading etc. Now I'm 18 and decided to try my hand at it again, and here's my first finished model. I did a King Tiger from Dragon before this, but never really got to finish it so it doesn't count.
Now I present my IS-2m ChKZ by Dragon















It's all OOB, only modification I did was raising the hull a bit, busting up the fenders, and touching up the welds. As you can see I "animated" the suspension because I'm currently making a dio base for it. Still have to get some mud into the suspension and running gear, but other than that it's done.

Any comments are welcome, if you want a closer shot of any part of the tank I will be glad to provide
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 09:48 AM UTC
04090
HI
It looks good but as you say the wheels need mud is it the tamiya or the trumpeter kit
i just finished the tamiya one no trouble at all good fit in all parts
yours cyril
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 10:02 AM UTC
great job on the paint job, the berlin white stripe is nicely worn.i also have this kit on my "next"pile.cant seem to find the new tamiya js2 in the LHS. keep up the great work.
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 10:26 AM UTC
Boris,

Very well done, can't wait to see it on the dio base.
BorisS
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 10:35 AM UTC
Thanks for the replies.
To 04090: It's the DML kit, I didn't know Trumpeter made an IS-2, and the Tamiya kit came out right after I bought this, had I known I would have went for that one. Not that this is a bad kit, just the tracks were a bit annoying.
The diorama will be in Berlin, so i don't want to put much mud on the wheels or tracks since the tank would not have been driving in mud for a while so it would all fall off from there, I just tried to depict dried up mud on the hull and in the suspension.
I feel I may have over-weathered the tank a bit, any thoughts?
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 08:04 PM UTC
Boris - damn fine effort, if I may say so.

One quibble (on second look): You seem to have the inner surfaces of the tracks in two different colours: Rusty red-brown on the outer edges, grey in the middle - with a nice neat demarcation between the two. I think it'd look much better (and far more realistic) all rusty.

- Steve
BorisS
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:58 AM UTC

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Boris - damn fine effort, if I may say so.

One quibble (on second look): You seem to have the inner surfaces of the tracks in two different colours: Rusty red-brown on the outer edges, grey in the middle - with a nice neat demarcation between the two. I think it'd look much better (and far more realistic) all rusty.

- Steve



I though that since the wheels are constantly rolling over that area of the track, it wouldn't have any rust on it. but perhaps I'm wrong. I'll make sure to fix it up after the mud is applied
Violetrock
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 06:47 AM UTC
Your thought is correct, where the roadwheels run over the track, there shouldnīt be any rust. Tracks in use, generally have only a little rust in the corners where dust, mud, sand, etc. cannot "work" as an abrasive.
Tank tracks are like the break disks on a car- when in use no rust, but after several hours a little rust starts to appear, especially when itīs raining or the air is very humid.
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 07:14 AM UTC

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Your thought is correct, where the roadwheels run over the track, there shouldnīt be any rust. Tracks in use, generally have only a little rust in the corners where dust, mud, sand, etc. cannot "work" as an abrasive.
Tank tracks are like the break disks on a car- when in use no rust, but after several hours a little rust starts to appear, especially when itīs raining or the air is very humid.




Sorry to disagree Tom, but I still feel there's far to much contrast on the tracks here and the inner surfaces are too 'clean'. Either that or 99.9% of the builds on this site need a makeover!

I think Boris your best bet might be a dark wash to weather / darken the entire tracks and make the contrast less striking, then dry-brush the "teeth" of the tracks steel to simulate wear & polishing from the road wheels.

Just my opinion. Otherwise, like I said - great job!

- Steve
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 07:33 AM UTC
Well, I like it, very nice job!

Yoni_Lev
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 08:37 AM UTC
Overall, I think this is a fine build, especially for a "get back into modeling" first effort! I really like the painting/fading of the aerial recognition stripes on the turret.

Two things stand out, though. One is the aforementioned track situation. I have to agree with Steve in that the demarcation between the dirty outer tracks and the inner clean ones is a bit too crisp and clean, although I understand the effect you were looking to replicate. Some washes and a little drybrushing could certainly fix the issue.

The second thing is the color of the mud. On my monitor, the mud in the pics looks very red, almost like the rust on the tracks, almost like the mud from the Central Highlands in Vietnam. Now, this could be my monitor or it could be the pictures, or a combination of both. If the mud is indeed that color red, you might want to tone that down a bit as well.

It will be nice to see this on its base. Nice work!

-YL
Aleksey_Gilevskiy
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 09:11 AM UTC
Hi!
To my mind the tank itself is pretty good, but tracks are a bit unusual, if the tank was in service it`s tracks would not be rusty. And else, it seems to be a lot of rust on a frame. Well , the model is very good, it`s done just perfectly, but painting imho lives much to be desired
BorisS
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 10:01 AM UTC
Aleksey: By frame you mean in the suspension? that's not rust, as was pointed out earlier, I messed up the color of the mud a bit. that will be fixed and covered over when I get a better mud mixed up.

And the red shades on the hull and turret aren't supposed to be rust in case anyone was wondering, its just dust from bricks and stuff.

Thanks for all your comments everyone. they are a real help.
exer
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Posted: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 10:42 AM UTC
Nice work Boris, Mud can many colours and if it is supposed to be Berlin then Crush up bricks and dust add colour. The large seam line on the turret has a slight gap that you dould either fill with putty or work some liquid glue along the seam. I like the dinged up fenders and the faded air recognition stripes.
Violetrock
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 02:33 AM UTC

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Your thought is correct, where the roadwheels run over the track, there shouldnīt be any rust. Tracks in use, generally have only a little rust in the corners where dust, mud, sand, etc. cannot "work" as an abrasive.
Tank tracks are like the break disks on a car- when in use no rust, but after several hours a little rust starts to appear, especially when itīs raining or the air is very humid.




Sorry to disagree Tom, but I still feel there's far to much contrast on the tracks here and the inner surfaces are too 'clean'. Either that or 99.9% of the builds on this site need a makeover!

I think Boris your best bet might be a dark wash to weather / darken the entire tracks and make the contrast less striking, then dry-brush the "teeth" of the tracks steel to simulate wear & polishing from the road wheels.

Just my opinion. Otherwise, like I said - great job!

- Steve



Steve,

I didnīt mean the contrast on his tracks. I meant heavily rusted tracks in general on vehicles in use, which is wrong. Tracks in use do not have rust on them (only a little).

Thomas
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Posted: Monday, April 14, 2008 - 03:09 PM UTC
I have to agree with you Thomas. Speaking only from my four years in the U.S. Army as a combat engineer, the last three spent as a squad leader and track commander of a M-113 the tracks were rusty after sitting in the motor pool for 3 days. Half a kilometer from the wash rack and the the tracks were polished metal whether we were running through dry terrain, mud, snow, or sand. They would get muddy, they might have snow or dirt packed in crevices, of they might be dusty if we sat for a couple of hours but other than that you would be hard pressed to find any rust on them.
By the way Boris, good job on the model.
BorisS
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Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 12:11 AM UTC
Thanks for the advice guys, ill make sure to clean em up then.
Now to decide what to build next. I have an MI-24 Hind sitting on the shelf now with a cool dio idea in mind, but i need pilots for it and its a bit of a sloppy kit. I want some easy build.
Thinking of either the T34-85 "Pink Tank" in London (need pictures, found only 2 on the net so far). Or an M51 Sherman in IDF service. Always wanted to build a sherman.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 04:14 AM UTC
Good job overall, fairly ambitious kit for someone who hasn't modelled for several years.
Removed by original poster on 04/16/08 - 02:32:16 (GMT).
cooper
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Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:39 PM UTC
Well since I can't figure out how to post the image here at the moment if you click on my photo you will see what I'm trying to explain.
BorisS
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Posted: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 04:45 PM UTC
Thanks for the comment TB2. Wasn't too bad of a kit, just the problem with the hull and the tracks needed a bit of cleaning up before they fit together. Also the return rollers seem to be molded off-center in that the rim is thinner on one side. But I guess after the KT and the IS-2 I'm starting to take DML's quality fit for granted, the Revell 1/72 Hund D/E kit really reminded me of the old models I used to build back in Russia, you would be lucky if the sort of gap I got on the turret was all you got.

David, By "click on your photo" you mean your gallery? If so I only found a Sherman vignette there. Can you explain please?
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