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Panzer IX and Panzer X
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Posted: Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 12:35 AM UTC
Hi all,

I love the what if's of WWII AFVs. I want to do something that I haven’t seen out there before. I know that the Panzer IX and Panzer X were truly just paper panzers used for propaganda purposes but I think this is the perfect What if! I was thinking about one of them in 1/35 scale.

Does anyone know if there’s a kit out maybe in resin. I am after some inspiration, can anyone find something more than the black and white profile sketches that are all over the net? Even if its artwork or drawings.

Thanks all!
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Posted: Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 01:21 AM UTC
Im sure there are numerous possibilities you can make . How for fetched do you wanna go? http://panzercreations.fotopic.net/c924894.html
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Posted: Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 02:02 AM UTC
New Connection Models has both of it in their list for some time, though no pictures yet.

http://www.new-connection.de/
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Posted: Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 05:40 AM UTC
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/p1000.htm#ixx
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Posted: Monday, May 19, 2008 - 03:04 AM UTC
DazzaD,

You may want to check Secret Panzer Projects from Trojca

http://www.rzm.com/books/mht/mht033.cfm

It may have diagrams that you can refer to

Tat
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Posted: Monday, May 19, 2008 - 09:17 AM UTC

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DazzaD,

You may want to check Secret Panzer Projects from Trojca

http://www.rzm.com/books/mht/mht033.cfm

It may have diagrams that you can refer to

Tat


Oow please, a Trojca book?

Anyway, a publication giving diagrams of the Pz IX and X really can't be taken seriously.

The Germans didn't have anything more than the 2 rather comic-style drawings they published.

They did toss in some "specs" and that makes these vehicles rather huge.
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Posted: Monday, May 19, 2008 - 01:45 PM UTC
Gee, haven't gone through any Trojca publication. Generally, would you say its not a reliable source for reference material?
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Posted: Monday, May 19, 2008 - 06:44 PM UTC

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Hi all,

I love the what if's of WWII AFVs. I want to do something that I haven’t seen out there before. I know that the Panzer IX and Panzer X were truly just paper panzers used for propaganda purposes but I think this is the perfect What if! I was thinking about one of them in 1/35 scale.

Does anyone know if there’s a kit out maybe in resin. I am after some inspiration, can anyone find something more than the black and white profile sketches that are all over the net? Even if its artwork or drawings.

Thanks all!

Well, those Panzer IX and X drawings are all that exist of these disinformation projects, and they literally look like napkin doodles. I imagine you could construct a styrene plastic box and coat it with epoxy putty to produce the curved shapes shown and do the same for the turret. Then detail with anything in your spares box. Certainly nobody could say they were wrong!
DazzaD
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Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 02:25 AM UTC
Thanks guys,
Lots of good info. I know this is a hard one but that kinda why I am interested in making it. Theres some good artists impressions that are on a few of them that will help alot.

Just out of interest, tat, you were saying that the Trojca books are not reliable. I am keen to get some books and info on the rare experimental armor that the Germans madedesigned. What are the best books that you guys know about? Cheers!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 06:12 PM UTC

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Just out of interest, tat, you were saying that the Trojca books are not reliable...


Thanks DazzaD -- it was actually a question I posed to Herbert's reaction after my post mentioning Trojca. So I'm not sure on the reliability side, and I don't own one as well.

For other reference material, you may try Panzer Tracts -- they have 2 volumes on Paper Panzers (though nothing really on the Pz IX and X). Or probably look for Spielberger's Special Panzer Projects. That's what I can think of for now -- maybe the other guys can comment as well.

Cheers
DazzaD
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Posted: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 07:35 PM UTC
No hassles tat, thanx 4 the up on the Special Panzer Variants book. Looks like one worth getting. I got panzer tracts 20-1 that has the E-series and the Lowe in it. Excellent detail but very light on the pictures. I'll do me some searching on the special AFV projects and see what I can find.

Thanks again


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Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 12:29 AM UTC

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No hassles tat, thanx 4 the up on the Special Panzer Variants book. Looks like one worth getting. I got panzer tracts 20-1 that has the E-series and the Lowe in it. Excellent detail but very light on the pictures. I'll do me some searching on the special AFV projects and see what I can find.

Thanks again




Well, the fact a book on the E-series is light on pictures is simple, only the E-100 was being built, at a slow pase, and the others were nothing more than designs, although I haven't even ever seen a design of any E-hull, all that I've seen of period drawings is for the disc-suspension components.

Further, a lot of ideas had been tossed around about new techniques, upgunning, modifying and adapting of just about any chassis in production.

If for instance you would read Spielberger's Panther und seine Abarten, you can find oodles of Panther-variations.

Also, for the Tiger several ideas had been formed, but very little went further than just ideas or the drawing board.

And if you really want to get super-special look for Midgaardschlange...
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Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 11:28 AM UTC
DazzaD,

I don't know if you read Chinese or maybe its Japanese, if you do, here is a site that features the Panzer IX & X in resin.

http://www.jttk.zaq.ne.jp/a-if/g-049.htm

Larry

PS I believe the scale is 1/144th
DazzaD
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Posted: Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 07:50 PM UTC
Thanks Lawrence That is exactly what I was after. I knew there had to be some one out there that had attempted one but I just couldnt find it! I am going to do my own version but its good to see how others imagined it. Thanks All!
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