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US. Army M35 A2 w/ M102 105mm Howitzer
squall802
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Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 05:58 AM UTC
This is a built model of US. Army M35 2-1/2 ton cargo truck w/ M102 105mm Howitzer Iraq 2005. Model from 1/35 AFV Club kits, Updated w/ PE & DIY kits.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 07:12 AM UTC
Not bad overall. Still lots of accuracy issues. First off, M35A2s don't pull M102 howitzers. The howitzer is pulled by a HMMWV. The Howitzer should be sand or 3-color NATO camo as well. Thyey are no longer overall green. Most units, except a fe wNational Guard units had transitioned over to M119A1 howitzers by OIF as well. The front turm signals on te truck should be orange, not red as well. Same for the forward reflectoirs on the bed. Again, good effort, just not accurate.
Removed by original poster on 06/16/08 - 06:39:15 (GMT).
redleg12
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 12:04 AM UTC
Gino
Well you are the Heavy...I was more light.
You are correct in that the M102 was pulled by a HMMWV but yes it was also pulled by the M35A2. And in an early life by the goat.
The M102 shown is the later with roll cage installed (early field mod by 82 ABN which Army adopted in 1989) and during ODS the only unit that deployed an M102 was the 101AA Div. They used the M998 to move the M102. But thier M102 with the cage was painted Nato tri-color camo.
Near the end of the M102 service (1980s/90s) it was deployed with the following 101AA and 82ABN divisions which used Gamma Goats and then HMMWV as a prime mover, 10 MTN div, I think HMMWV but also some M35A2, 187BDE, and 1 NG BDE, both used M35A2 as prime movers.
I don't think the M102 was all green since VN.
But with all that said, it is a nice clean build.
Here is my version painted circa 1980s...with 187 BDE markings
Rounds Complete!!
Well you are the Heavy...I was more light.
You are correct in that the M102 was pulled by a HMMWV but yes it was also pulled by the M35A2. And in an early life by the goat.
The M102 shown is the later with roll cage installed (early field mod by 82 ABN which Army adopted in 1989) and during ODS the only unit that deployed an M102 was the 101AA Div. They used the M998 to move the M102. But thier M102 with the cage was painted Nato tri-color camo.
Near the end of the M102 service (1980s/90s) it was deployed with the following 101AA and 82ABN divisions which used Gamma Goats and then HMMWV as a prime mover, 10 MTN div, I think HMMWV but also some M35A2, 187BDE, and 1 NG BDE, both used M35A2 as prime movers.
I don't think the M102 was all green since VN.
But with all that said, it is a nice clean build.
Here is my version painted circa 1980s...with 187 BDE markings
Rounds Complete!!
Ellevenbravo
Joined: April 08, 2007
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 12:56 AM UTC
Mike - 187th BDE? That was my old unit (I was on the 11B side of the house). Got any more pics?
Jeff - I can't add anything to the discussion on whether your model is historically accurate but I can tell you that I really like your models, especially the M35. You did a great job painting the truck, I really enjoy the difference in colors.
How did you do the rust on the add-on steel plate armor? Painting a realistic rust is one of the things that I have difficultites with. Nothing I do seems to look accurate.
John
Jeff - I can't add anything to the discussion on whether your model is historically accurate but I can tell you that I really like your models, especially the M35. You did a great job painting the truck, I really enjoy the difference in colors.
How did you do the rust on the add-on steel plate armor? Painting a realistic rust is one of the things that I have difficultites with. Nothing I do seems to look accurate.
John
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 01:53 AM UTC
Mike,
You said what I was trying to say. Guess I was still a little sleepy when I responded. I meant that they were no longer pulled by M35A2s, and I second all else that you said.
EOM. Record as Target. k
You said what I was trying to say. Guess I was still a little sleepy when I responded. I meant that they were no longer pulled by M35A2s, and I second all else that you said.
EOM. Record as Target. k
blaster76
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 07:26 AM UTC
Well I sure am glad I didn't respond first to this post. I thought that M35's had gone by the wayside 10 years ago. Glad to see the duece and a half is still alive and kicking. I remember driving those (as well as our M48a2's) around the Institute in the 70's
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 08:56 AM UTC
The old M35 is pretty much gone now. It was being phased out and replaced by the M1078 LMTV when OIF began. 3ID drew a bunch of M35A2s from PrePo stocks in Kuwait though since we didn't bring most of our equipment. By 2004, when vehicles started being uparmored due to IEDs, most M35s were traded for M1078s as follow on units started bringing theirs. The above was very uncommon as most were not armored. I don't think I have ever seen an armored M35A2. Just one more inaccuracy to it.
Sudzonic
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 09:48 AM UTC
Nice work. 
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 10:21 AM UTC
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I don't think I have ever seen an armored M35A2.
Hi Gino
Just in case you need some. I agree about those not being thick on the ground...
Irocarmy88's Webshots pics :
Another one (with single wheel rear axles and "civilian" tires) :
HTH
Frenchy
whittman181
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 10:33 AM UTC
I think the truck pulling the arty looks fine. I'm no expert but your builds came out great and they look great so thats enough for me , nice job Bob
Bob
dobon68
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 11:17 AM UTC
I can't comment on the accuracy of your model but I like the overall look, The rust on the metal plates is really well done and I also like your weathering.
The only thing I would point out to you that in my mind lets your model down is the barrel on your .50 cal hasn't been drilled out. Only a small point but it does notice (to me anyway).
Thanks for sharingDavid
The only thing I would point out to you that in my mind lets your model down is the barrel on your .50 cal hasn't been drilled out. Only a small point but it does notice (to me anyway).
Thanks for sharingDavid
PrestonVonStruben
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 05:14 PM UTC
very impressive. i assume u used mig pigments for the rust? and a question i have is what type of method did u use to get the thick dirt in the wheels?
preston
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m75
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 05:17 PM UTC
Overall the weathering looks great! I was especially taken by by the cargo bed, which has been weathered to accent the flat steel flooring plates that so many people portray as being wooden planking. You use the weathering to show the pattern of the floor supports, which don't show on the stock plastic part. Between that and the rusty plating, I can almost print these images as a "how-to" primer on weathering!! Thanks again for a great job.
redleg12
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 - 12:41 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Mike - 187th BDE? That was my old unit (I was on the 11B side of the house). Got any more pics?
Jeff - I can't add anything to the discussion on whether your model is historically accurate but I can tell you that I really like your models, especially the M35. You did a great job painting the truck, I really enjoy the difference in colors.
How did you do the rust on the add-on steel plate armor? Painting a realistic rust is one of the things that I have difficultites with. Nothing I do seems to look accurate.
John
John - Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. 187BDE....We're you in the 16,17 or 35th. As for more pics, here they are.
Any questions feel free to ask!!
Rounds Complete!!
robby249
Joined: August 18, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 01:17 AM UTC
nice model
Ellevenbravo
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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 01:26 PM UTC
Hi Mike,
Actually I was in the 3/18th INF. Nice job on the model, what did you use for bumper markings, I'm guessing that there are no 187th BDE decals out there.
Regards,
John
Actually I was in the 3/18th INF. Nice job on the model, what did you use for bumper markings, I'm guessing that there are no 187th BDE decals out there.
Regards,
John
18Bravo
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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 01:55 PM UTC
My first thought on hearing that M35's don't pull M102's was: What in the heck did they use before HMMWV's?
Actually, when I did 13B MOSQ at Fort Sill we used them as well, but that's been a while. Anyway, enough on that.
The weathering is simply fantastic. As has been pointed out, the rusted armor plates, and the floor treatment are both very well done. Nothing artistic, just what the real deal looks like.
I'd be interested in the floor treatment as well. I've done something similar. My guess is base color over rust, with a light sanding.
If you were unable to locate good shots of the M102 let me know. I've got plenty from my gun. In addition to the cammo, there's a little more detail painting you could add, most notably the silver rails on the gun cradle.
Again, very well done.
Actually, when I did 13B MOSQ at Fort Sill we used them as well, but that's been a while. Anyway, enough on that.
The weathering is simply fantastic. As has been pointed out, the rusted armor plates, and the floor treatment are both very well done. Nothing artistic, just what the real deal looks like.
I'd be interested in the floor treatment as well. I've done something similar. My guess is base color over rust, with a light sanding.
If you were unable to locate good shots of the M102 let me know. I've got plenty from my gun. In addition to the cammo, there's a little more detail painting you could add, most notably the silver rails on the gun cradle.
Again, very well done.
redleg12
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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 07:10 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Mike,
Actually I was in the 3/18th INF. Nice job on the model, what did you use for bumper markings, I'm guessing that there are no 187th BDE decals out there.
Regards,
John
John
5BN/5FA....No, I have a stencil font and create the bumper markings on the computer.
187BDE 5/5FA, the other side was the truck marking #.. I have done that on a few models...it's a unique marking set.
Also have the patch digital which I can use on figures or on the nose art for 187 AVN helos.
Thanks for asking. Nice to see a fellow 187 member.
Rounds Complete!!
WeWillHold
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Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 12:31 AM UTC
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can't comment on the accuracy of your model but I like the overall look, The rust on the metal plates is really well done and I also like your weathering.
Couldn't agree more. A good looking set. Thanks for the pics.
Steve
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