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Metal barrel for Academy M10 TD
panzerman
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:16 PM UTC
Hi everyone,

I have just bought an Academy M 10 TD kit No. 1393. Searching through the net I finally found that there is no metal eqivalent for an M7 3 inch gun barrel of my M-10 model? I haven’t found any Jordi Rubio items for it.
I checked Elefant products and I found this item:
Elefant 35342 M7 3 inch gun barrel for an M 10 (ACADEMY, AFV Club) – It seems that this is “the only gun barrel in town” for my kit? Bad news for me, as I have difficulties with purchasing any of Elefant's sets in model shops in my vicinity.

Also, anyone has tried how the Eduard’s PE #35300 set for an AFV Club M10 fits to Academy M10 kit?

Thanks for any tips, guys,

Regards,
Peter

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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:58 PM UTC
Jordi Rubio has the kit # TG32 which is for the M4, M10 and the M18.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2002 - 10:04 PM UTC
Are you sure about TG-32? Mine has the muzzle brake and thread cover, I thought the M-10's 3" gun didn't have a muzzle brake or the threaded end. The AFV Club's M-10 comes with an aluminum barrel, but that won't help you.
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Posted: Monday, April 15, 2002 - 10:24 PM UTC
Try the Barrel Store in Canada. I have dealt with them in the past and they are great folks to deal with. Click on Barrels and scroll down to the Elefant section. They even have a handy link to convert currency too. HTH :-) http://www.bentbutnotbroken.com/
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 04:39 AM UTC
Maybe Elefant from Germany does one?
Just a thought.....
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 05:20 AM UTC

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Are you sure about TG-32? Mine has the muzzle brake and thread cover, I thought the M-10's 3" gun didn't have a muzzle brake or the threaded end.


Indeed you are correct sir. The kit # 32 has the MB. But, the couple of sites I looked at for the reference showed the #32 to be used with the M4, M18 and the M10. The only M10 it could be used for is the Achilles...which would still be wrong, because the Achilles used the 17pdr. barrel. Hmmm. Just curious why they were listing this kit # for the M10.
BTW, my info came from Jordi Rubio's site...

Panzerman, I hope I didn't cause any confusion for you. Seems Elephant is the only one who makes the M7 gun for the M10. There are a few sites online that have it in stock.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:16 AM UTC

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Are you sure about TG-32? Mine has the muzzle brake and thread cover, I thought the M-10's 3" gun didn't have a muzzle brake or the threaded end.


Indeed you are correct sir. The kit # 32 has the MB. But, the couple of sites I looked at for the reference showed the #32 to be used with the M4, M18 and the M10. The only M10 it could be used for is the Achilles...which would still be wrong, because the Achilles used the 17pdr. barrel. Hmmm. Just curious why they were listing this kit # for the M10.

Strange, the back of my package shows the barrel being used on the M18 Hellcat, M4A3 76mm (without muzzle brake) and the M4A3E8 with muzzle brake.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 10:34 AM UTC
Again...strange indeed Rob. Here's the pic I saw, and I'm sure it's the same on your package.



While I saw the pic representation, the adaptable vehicles list next to it was as above. I too noticed the M4 w/o the mb.

I'm curious Rob, is the MB removable? If so, are there threads inside the barrel? Could they be filled? Could it be lobbed off if it's not threaded? Worthwhile?
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:01 AM UTC

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Again...strange indeed Rob. Here's the pic I saw, and I'm sure it's the same on your package...I'm curious Rob, is the MB removable? If so, are there threads inside the barrel? Could they be filled? Could it be lobbed off if it's not threaded? Worthwhile?
On the real vehicle? Yes the muzzle brake was removable. The reason for the thread cap was that there weren't enough muzzle brakes available and the guns were produced without them, but could be added later. The threads are on the outside of the tube and there was probably some type of detent screw that kept the MB from unscrewing while in use.

On the kit barrel, it includes the barrel, the MB and the thread cap. You must put the thread cap on then the MB is optional.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 08:01 PM UTC
That Rubio barrel is for a 76mm gun. I have a couple and they are nice.

The confusion with a 3-inch gun may stem from the fact that many people think the 76mm and the 3-inch are the same gun. Indeed, if you look up the ammo designations, they are virtually identical in nomenclature and ballistics.The 76mm and 3-inch ammo used the same projectiles, but the casings are very different as well as the guns. Someone at Rubio might think the ammo was interchangable and that the gun barrels were, too. This is wrong.

As far as I know, there isn't a good metal replacement barrel for the M-10.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 02:29 AM UTC
Maybe try buying a "replacement" M10 barrel from AFV? I know mine came with an aluminum barrel.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 04:52 AM UTC

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Maybe try buying a "replacement" M10 barrel from AFV? I know mine came with an aluminum barrel.


Now that's what I call a good idea! :-) Just need to find out how to go about it...
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 04:59 AM UTC

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Maybe try buying a "replacement" M10 barrel from AFV? I know mine came with an aluminum barrel.


Now that's what I call a good idea! :-) Just need to find out how to go about it...


I can check the kit when I get home. Unless Rob has his handy.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 07:34 AM UTC

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The confusion with a 3-inch gun may stem from the fact that many people think the 76mm and the 3-inch are the same gun. Indeed, if you look up the ammo designations, they are virtually identical in nomenclature and ballistics.The 76mm and 3-inch ammo used the same projectiles, but the casings are very different as well as the guns. Someone at Rubio might think the ammo was interchangable and that the gun barrels were, too. This is wrong.

As far as I know, there isn't a good metal replacement barrel for the M-10.


You are certainly correct Bob. The answers to this post led me to further investigate.
The 76mm M1A2 bore diameter is the same as the 3" M7. However, the bore lengths differ in that the 76mm's is 52 calibre, while the 3"'s is 50 cals. The overall gun length's were 167.75" for the 76mm, 158.1" for the 3" gun.
Sooo, the JR's barrel would have to be slighty shorter for use on the M10.
Hacksaw???
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:33 AM UTC
The 3" gun's barrel is 76.2mm and is thicker than the 76mm of the M18/M4. It also tapers from the mantlet to the end whereas the 76mm is relatively straight along its width.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:40 AM UTC
Ahhh, another good point! Very different in looks too!
Okay, revised...hacksaw and lathe!!!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:45 PM UTC
Chief--for my two cents, go all out to get the correct brass barrel. They add quality to your model. Well-worth the time and expense. There use to be a model gun barrel dealer in Las Vegas who did 76mm tubes. I think they bit the dust and now JR is the only supplier. Am I wrong?
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:27 AM UTC
I'm in the process of speaking with the guy from Brassbarrels about the M10 barrel. I emailed him yesterday and he answered back saying he has the M10 barrel in his catalog. BUT, there is no mention of it in the catalog...hmmm. Well, I emailed back for confirmation and am awaiting his responce.
I'll be back...
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Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 02:47 AM UTC
If it might be of any help, I am busy building the AFV club M-18 Hellcat and this comes with a copper barrel. According to the instructions the M-18 had a "76cm(am sure it is 76mm) M1A1C/M1A2 high velocity anti tank gun".

I saw that you guys are talking about thread on the inside, mine didn't have any. The barrel didn't have anything attached to it , just the barrel.

The only problem is that the ordering information is all in Taiwanese. Maybe someone else knows where to order AFV club parts.

EB
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Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 03:01 AM UTC

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Chief--for my two cents, go all out to get the correct brass barrel. They add quality to your model. Well-worth the time and expense. There use to be a model gun barrel dealer in Las Vegas who did 76mm tubes. I think they bit the dust and now JR is the only supplier. Am I wrong?
DJ


Dj, Is there something wrong with the aluminum barrel that came with my AFV kit?
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Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 09:06 PM UTC
Chief--I found the kit's aluminum barrel to be less realistic looking than the brass ones available from Rubio.
DJ
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Posted: Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:12 AM UTC
Okay, here's my attempt to disperse any confusion to the differences in the 76mm gun vs. the 3inch gun.

This is the M7 3" gun used on the U.S. M10 TD: Notice the taper.



This is the * M1A2 76mm gun NOT used on any M10s. Notice no taper.



* There is no noticable external difference between the M1A1 76mm and the M1A2 76mm guns. The difference is internal. The rifling twists are different, which sets the 2 apart.

I learned from this thread and I hope all will benefit some too. :-)
Kencelot
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Posted: Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 10:37 AM UTC
Panzerman, you're in bussiness if you are still looking for an M7 3inch barrel for the M10!
I just recieved confirmation from Mike Dobiesz of http://www.brassbarrels.com/ that he does the M10 barrel for either kit. (Academy of AFV). Just go to his site and fire off an email to him, he'll be happy to help you out.
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Posted: Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 10:52 AM UTC

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Okay, here's my attempt to disperse any confusion to the differences in the 76mm gun vs. the 3inch gun.
This is the M7 3" gun used on the U.S. M10 TD: Notice the taper.
This is the * M1A2 76mm gun NOT used on any M10s. Notice no taper.
* There is no noticable external difference between the M1A1 76mm and the M1A2 76mm guns. The difference is internal. The rifling twists are different, which sets the 2 apart.
I thought I said this about 7 posts earlier...
BTW, I don't see anything wrong with the aluminum barrel in my AFV Club M10
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Posted: Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 11:34 AM UTC
Indeed you did Rob! I was just trying to do the ole "picture tells a thousand words" thing.

It was this whole confusion (okay, probably all mine) thing that made me do it.

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BTW, I don't see anything wrong with the aluminum barrel in my AFV Club M10


Me neither, but Panzerman was looking for an Academy one.
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