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New DML US Half Track?
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 12:30 PM UTC
I heard a rumor at my local hobby store today that they are getting in a new half track from DML....an anti-aircraft version. I found nothing on DML's website. Does nayone know about this? Could it be a M16 version?

Thanks.

Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 12:40 PM UTC
Taken directly from the Perth page... http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/dragon.htm

"6381 M16 Halftrack Multiple Gun Carriage (page 17 of 2008 catalogue)"

Brian, if this comes true, it will surely be a day of joy, and dancing in the streets. I have been longing... no pining... for the next Half Track release from Dragon. I absolutely love this series of models.

Can you tell I am excited?

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GaryKato
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Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 03:52 PM UTC
Might be Dragon or it might be Trumpeter (slated for August). I am hoping Dragon will correct the entire armored body for the M3 since they will have to tool new pieces for the rear.
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 12:46 AM UTC

Can the rumour be an M15 .....PLEASE,PLEASE Be an M15

Used WW2 and Korea

twin 50's with a 37mm in the middle what more can a modeler want !!

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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 12:57 AM UTC
The M3 (which would be the basis for ANY M16) exists as a handful of test parts which DML did on the release of the M2. As DML seem to have dropped any interest in an M3 and items which appear in their catalogue have a habit of never appearing, personally, I wouldn't hold my breath....

It seems (to my jaded mind at least) that with the release of the M2, that's more or less the end of the story. It'd be great if we were to be proved wrong, but I personally doubt it...
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 01:19 AM UTC
Funnily enough, I was discussing this subject the other day with the LHS. He was wondering what batch of models to order next, so I told him to get some Strykers, amongst other things. This did however bring us to the subject of 'selling'... It is a fact that German WW II vehicles sell best. No matter how much people post in forums decrying the lack of Allied subjects, what actually makes the till ring, is German.
We noted that for many, many years modellers have begged for a new tooled Half Track. Dragon brings one out, and gets slaughtered for a bulged tyre... and how many of these Half Tracks have been build? I don't know about sales figures, but if the amount of build M2's is anything to go by, I can understand why Dragon have dropped the idea of producing more.

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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 03:37 AM UTC

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Funnily enough, I was discussing this subject the other day with the LHS. He was wondering what batch of models to order next, so I told him to get some Strykers, amongst other things. This did however bring us to the subject of 'selling'... It is a fact that German WW II vehicles sell best. No matter how much people post in forums decrying the lack of Allied subjects, what actually makes the till ring, is German.
We noted that for many, many years modellers have begged for a new tooled Half Track. Dragon brings one out, and gets slaughtered for a bulged tyre... and how many of these Half Tracks have been build? I don't know about sales figures, but if the amount of build M2's is anything to go by, I can understand why Dragon have dropped the idea of producing more.




Unfortunately the tires are the least of the problems with that kit Henk, it's just that those who know little about the vehicle pick out the most obvious mistakes.

From the point of view of someone who knows his half tracks, the accuracy of both of Dragons kits is a convoluted train wreck of early, late and fictional features.

I hope someone else picks up where they have dropped the ball.
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 03:48 AM UTC
I , for one, surely do hope Dragon goes through with their M3 series half tracks . I have never expected perfection, just something good and I can fix it myself if need be .

The U.S. Halftrack is an important vehicle,and having this hang in limbo is a disappointment at best. Yes we all have heard how German outsells everything. Fine. Those of us who prefer Allied will buy it and build it. I hope this great little vehicle does finally come out. I can see fire teams and fire sections So, c'mon Dragon, let's get 'er done.
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 03:49 AM UTC

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Unfortunately the tires are the least of the problems with that kit Henk, it's just that those who know little about the vehicle pick out the most obvious mistakes.

From the point of view of someone who knows his half tracks, the accuracy of both of Dragons kits is a convoluted train wreck of early, late and fictional features.

I hope someone else picks up where they have dropped the ball.



Hear, Hear!

It's NOT an unsalvagable mess (at all) but it's NOT under any circumstances a 'Great' model. The engine is a disaster (more suited to Italeri of the 1970s) suspension elements need LOTS of TLC, The rivetting has already been covered and the wheels (yeah well, we've had THAT discussion here before). The decals are poorly researched (including the fantasy vehicle). Add to that the need to replace the MGs, think carefully about the mine-racks add stowage etc. etc. etc. you wonder if Axis modelers would have permitted such liberties to be taken with the Panther (for example). It shows every sign of being a rushed release. Hopefully, we WON'T see the same with the Sd Kfz 7 when it finally sees the light of day...
CDK
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 04:01 AM UTC

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It's NOT an unsalvagable mess (at all)



I agree Jim, 100%. In fact I have four M2A1's in the stash and three M4's, plus the one on the bench. Seriously.



OOB builders will have fun building the kit without worrying about details and I will have fun correcting the plethora of problems simply because I love the vehicle.

Having said that, if it were a makenbelievenpaperpanzerkampfwagen ausf z, it would be perfect down to the last rivet. Unfortunate they chose to knock other manufacturers half tracks while having two accuracy dogs of their own.

Someone should teach them the definition of hypocrisy.
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 05:24 AM UTC

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I heard a rumor at my local hobby store today that they are getting in a new half track from DML....an anti-aircraft version. I found nothing on DML's website. Does nayone know about this? Could it be a M16 version?

Thanks.

Brian



Trumpeter's 1/16 scale M16 AA halftrack just showed up for pre-order on several Asian sites, so this is likely the source of this rumor.
jimbrae
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 08:18 PM UTC

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Trumpeter's 1/16 scale M16 AA halftrack just showed up for pre-order on several Asian sites, so this is likely the source of this rumor.



I agree. It's also showing up on order forms for retailers as well. I think THIS may be the model in question...
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Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 11:59 PM UTC

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I heard a rumor at my local hobby store today that they are getting in a new half track from DML....an anti-aircraft version. I found nothing on DML's website. Does nayone know about this? Could it be a M16 version?

Thanks.

Brian


Dragon has definitely moved the M3 to the back burner for now (not necessarily forever, but their late M4A2 USMC Sherman took five years to actually show up after the initial announcement). They shot themselves in the foot from a marketing point of view by releasing the least appealing version of the series first (a strategy they've used many times before). In this case, I don't think the M2 sold nearly as well as the better known M3 troop carrier would have, and the poor reviews seem to have stung them as well. The only thing that will get Dragon's butt in gear now would be solid information that Trumpeter was going to proceed with their own American halftrack series. Then we'd see another "halftrack war," if only to save face.
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Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 12:35 AM UTC

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The only thing that will get Dragon's butt in gear now would be solid information that Trumpeter was going to proceed with their own American halftrack series. Then we'd see another "halftrack war," if only to save face.



It seems as Trumpeter has ALSO put their H/T list on the back-burner. The 2008 catalogue isn't listing them and since we're seeing images like the M1078 & M198 (along with German Diesel locomotives etc. etc. etc.) then it's doubtful they'll start another BIG project series anytime soon....

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Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 08:18 AM UTC
There is always the old venerable Tamiya kit
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Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 09:02 AM UTC
Hi
Yeh the old tamiya kit not bad for its age. I'm in the process of stripping mine down of all the old paint & rebuilding it ( must of been made 20years ago) . going to rebuild it for an Remargen diorama.
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