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docdios
#036
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Posted: Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 12:17 AM UTC
Armorama Carry's on show casing the lost works of Dan Capuano with one of his modern pieces.
Surrender at Sidon
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Surrender at Sidon
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SnakeEye
Joined: June 23, 2004
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Posted: Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 12:56 AM UTC
No words to say absolutely beautiful.
roudeleiw
Joined: January 19, 2004
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Posted: Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 06:22 PM UTC
This is gorgeous. What an atmosphere !
Cheers
Claude
Cheers
Claude
alanmac
Joined: February 25, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 10:02 PM UTC
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I would like to know why the Israeli flag has been airbrushed out of this diorama? Has this been done by the forum? Why is the flag so offensive to people, if the American flag was treated in such a way I am sure there would be uproar. I also notice the Syrian flag is left intact.
I don't think it has been. I can certainly see two of them, a small one mounted on the aerial of one of the tanks, and another larger one curled up a little on the aerial of the APC. If you are refering to the red/terracotta coloured shapes on the engine decks, are these not just recognition flags? I don't know the IDF tactics so don't know if they would display a national flag in such a way or use a specific coloured item to ensure that no other forces use their flag to confuse or evade air attack.
Check the second row down first picture on the left, as well as the others. That one shows the national flag and the red one.
Would it not be a good idea to check it out before making accusations.
Alan
Plasticbattle
#003
Joined: May 14, 2002
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 12:10 AM UTC
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I would like to know why the Israeli flag has been airbrushed out of this diorama? Has this been done by the forum? Why is the flag so offensive to people, if the American flag was treated in such a way I am sure there would be uproar. I also notice the Syrian flag is left intact.
You looking for something thats not there.
They are air-recognition flags on the back of both of the larger vehicles. Look at the jeep .... it has both the Israel flag and an air-recognition flag. Shout first ... think later?
Great work again Dan. So much to see in every image. Surprised the missle is not wired up, considering the level of the detail. Excellent.
dancap3286
Joined: June 01, 2005
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 07:47 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI would like to know why the Israeli flag has been airbrushed out of this diorama? Has this been done by the forum? Why is the flag so offensive to people, if the American flag was treated in such a way I am sure there would be uproar. I also notice the Syrian flag is left intact.
You looking for something thats not there.
They are air-recognition flags on the back of both of the larger vehicles. Look at the jeep .... it has both the Israel flag and an air-recognition flag. Shout first ... think later?
Great work again Dan. So much to see in every image. Surprised the missle is not wired up, considering the level of the detail. Excellent.
dancap3286
Joined: June 01, 2005
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 07:50 AM UTC
yes they are aerial recognition if that is what is in question. funny little tidbit for you guys, i actually constructed this diorama in 1991 so it shows you how old it is. I completed it when i was about 19 years of age and sold it to a collector about 6 or seven years ago. thanks for the comments. 
dancap3286
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 07:52 AM UTC
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yes they are aerial recognition if that is what is in question. funny little tidbit for you guys, i actually constructed this diorama in 1991 so it shows you how old it is. I completed it when i was about 19 years of age and sold it to a collector about 6 or seven years ago. thanks for the comments.
i'm sorry, lets make it 1990 to be precise.
Erik67
Joined: July 31, 2005
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 08:02 AM UTC
Great looking dio. Looks a lot like what I saw in Lebanon in 1990.
Erik
Erik
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 08:33 AM UTC
The level of detail is truly impressive.
KCBuilder
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 08:39 AM UTC
My opinion, but the Israeli flag is not airbrushed out.
The blurriness of the flag in one of the pictures is due to the depth of field focus of the camera. The camera was focused on the object in the back and the Isreali flag that was on the antenna of the vehicle in front. The result was that the front object is blurry.
Great dio too . . .
The blurriness of the flag in one of the pictures is due to the depth of field focus of the camera. The camera was focused on the object in the back and the Isreali flag that was on the antenna of the vehicle in front. The result was that the front object is blurry.
Great dio too . . .
Wolfe
Joined: January 24, 2004
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 - 02:08 PM UTC
Tremendous effort!
Love the detail, you've done well
Cheers!
Love the detail, you've done well
Cheers!
handasa
Joined: July 01, 2008
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Posted: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 01:29 AM UTC
My first post on Armourama: Fantastic looking diorama. My only comment, and this applies to Shep Paine's Syria diorama as well, is that it does not seem to make sense to me all the Israeli signs in Hebrew in a Lebanese town. Otherwise it's a stunning piece of work. Well done
Erik67
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Posted: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 01:38 AM UTC
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Images 11 and 12 of the 19 taken of the APC seem to me to show the flag burred out, this is not in keeping with the camera affects of the other parts of the diorama.
If you have a look at the rest of the vehicle which the flag is attached to it is also blurred. Have a look at the crewman at the bottom of pic 12. He is just as blurred as the flag on his vehicle. It all comes down to what the camera was focused on.
SGTJKJ
#041
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 12:46 AM UTC
Great Diorama - once again!
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing
alanmac
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 04:50 AM UTC
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Hello,
Thank you for your debate. Let me clarify.
Images 11 and 12 of the 19 taken of the APC seem to me to show the flag burred out, this is not in keeping with the camera affects of the other parts of the diorama.
Take into acount my actions if it was your flag.
Thank you for replies.
Let me clarify. The creator of the diorama Dan Capuano answered your question five posts up from the one you just posted.
Now we have gone from airbrushed out to others being "blurred out" It's camera focus.
Take into account this is a modelling forum, with a worldwide membership with no hidden agenda. It serves to encourage the hobby of military model making around the world, nothing more.
"Take into account" what I said in my first email
"Would it not be a good idea to check it out before making accusations."
Alan
antoniop
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 05:09 AM UTC
Hum...
edit: oops. Its the flag from the Merkava and it's completely out of focus because it's much closer to the camera. I should have looked first... sorry
You can see other things blurred (namely the Merkava crew). With large apertures this effect is very dramatic.
At first I agreed it couldn't be, but when I looked closer I could see that the flag changed position but it was blurred the same way. The Merk antenna is there and very blurred too.
edit: oops. Its the flag from the Merkava and it's completely out of focus because it's much closer to the camera. I should have looked first... sorry
You can see other things blurred (namely the Merkava crew). With large apertures this effect is very dramatic.
At first I agreed it couldn't be, but when I looked closer I could see that the flag changed position but it was blurred the same way. The Merk antenna is there and very blurred too.
Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 05:57 AM UTC
Neil,
First off, let me assure you that we do not censor any model or diorama on Armorama. As long as the image is relevant to the modelled subject, and remains within accepted standards of decency, we do not judge the subject, only the quality of the model.
I understand your first reaction, when you see your country's National Flag seemingly 'blurred' out, but if you look closer you can just see the aerial (equally) blurred, and right at the bottom edge of the picture the head of a crewman. That's how close to the camera the Merkava is, and thus how close(and out of focus) the flag.
Henk
First off, let me assure you that we do not censor any model or diorama on Armorama. As long as the image is relevant to the modelled subject, and remains within accepted standards of decency, we do not judge the subject, only the quality of the model.
I understand your first reaction, when you see your country's National Flag seemingly 'blurred' out, but if you look closer you can just see the aerial (equally) blurred, and right at the bottom edge of the picture the head of a crewman. That's how close to the camera the Merkava is, and thus how close(and out of focus) the flag.
Henk
docdios
#036
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 06:00 AM UTC
Hi Guys
Can I just make a small point here. These pictures have been reposted by me after contacting Dan and asking his permission to do so. These pictures originally came from the old WW2 modelling site that went belly up a few years ago and I had saved to a disk drive because I enjoy Dan's modelling style. They had all but been lost when WW2 modeller went, Dan no longer had a copy of them, and had I not come across them on my hard drive they would never have been seen again.
They have not been edited in any way by me or any of the staff here at Armorama and as the diorama dates back to 1991, when the quality of digital camera was very poor, it may well be down to the focal point of the camera used to take them.
Now they may have been edited back on WW2 modeller but I don't know for sure, I posted them up as I thought other may enjoy viewing them again with the other pieces of Dan's work and not to cause offence to any body of any religion or country.
If you feel they have caused offence then I apologise as that was not my intention, I just wanted to give them a new home where Dan's unique style could be seen again and enjoyed by others.
regards
Keith Forsyth
Can I just make a small point here. These pictures have been reposted by me after contacting Dan and asking his permission to do so. These pictures originally came from the old WW2 modelling site that went belly up a few years ago and I had saved to a disk drive because I enjoy Dan's modelling style. They had all but been lost when WW2 modeller went, Dan no longer had a copy of them, and had I not come across them on my hard drive they would never have been seen again.
They have not been edited in any way by me or any of the staff here at Armorama and as the diorama dates back to 1991, when the quality of digital camera was very poor, it may well be down to the focal point of the camera used to take them.
Now they may have been edited back on WW2 modeller but I don't know for sure, I posted them up as I thought other may enjoy viewing them again with the other pieces of Dan's work and not to cause offence to any body of any religion or country.
If you feel they have caused offence then I apologise as that was not my intention, I just wanted to give them a new home where Dan's unique style could be seen again and enjoyed by others.
regards
Keith Forsyth
Nito74
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 06:15 AM UTC
I'm never tired of Dan's Dioramas...every little photo has tremendous detailing, a true work of art !!
Plasticbattle
#003
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 08:05 AM UTC
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i actually constructed this diorama in 1991 so it shows you how old it is.
i'm sorry, lets make it 1990 to be precise.
There are so many things that we take for granted today ... with online references, kit and accessory availability, and the endless "how to" pages. That this model is ~18 years old, only makes it even more impressive!
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