hi
I am working on one diorama there I want to have snow and snow intermixed clay.
Someone who can help me with techniques, and what materials work to use, etc,
Grateful for replies
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perlossing
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 01:15 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 02:09 AM UTC
The best material I've found is to get a bottle of Micro-Ballons. This is used for filler in resin casting, it is cheaper than Techstar's snow and stays nice and white. I mix mine with matte medium for acrylic painting . Just be careful, the stuff is nasty if you get it in your nose. It's like a very fine powder.
Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 05:59 AM UTC
White Marble Dust with the same precautions you would take using any fine particle / airborne contaminate.
C.
C.
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 07:51 AM UTC
Baking soda is a very cheap and convincing method,just coat surface with white glue and water mix then spinkle soda over this with a sieve,once dry you can spray on a laquer coat to preserve and protect.
Steve
Steve
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 09:07 AM UTC
I agree.
In my experience, baking soda is the cheapest and the easiest method.
With a proper coat of lacquer, it won't yellow or crumble apart.
I have used baking soda in some dioramas I made about 10 years ago, and it is "snow as white" until today
Cheers.
In my experience, baking soda is the cheapest and the easiest method.
With a proper coat of lacquer, it won't yellow or crumble apart.
I have used baking soda in some dioramas I made about 10 years ago, and it is "snow as white" until today
Cheers.
sweaver
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 09:34 AM UTC
This is one of those topics that generates a lot of controversy and some pretty ingenious ideas. A quick search of Armorama using the Google search bar in the upper right gave me these threads:
How to make snow
Snow
Two of the most common methods I've found are baking soda and Microballoons. Baking soda is very controversial in that some people swear by it, whereas others hate it, saying it yellows over time and can attract bugs. There are good arguments for both sides - some people have had dios for 10+ years without yellowing or bugs, while others haven't been so lucky. If you decide on this method, HERE is an article from ML that might help you.
Microballoons is described by Lynn Kessler in his book "How to Build Armor Dioramas" as "a finely ground styrofoam used by R/C aircraft modelers to make fillets in balsa wood". I have heard some say that the Woodland Scenics snow is the same thing. I've also heard that it can be very irritating to your sinuses if inhaled. Jan mentions this in his article on Making trees. It seems to give very good results, however, and I will probably use it on my current dio. If I can find it, that is.
As for other methods, I used Sweet n' Low for my diorama and found the grains to be much too big, so I wouldn't recommend that route. You can see a picture here:
I'm sure there are many more methods that I haven't outlined here, so keep researching. You will also probably get a lot of responses here.
HTH,
Samuel
How to make snow
Snow
Two of the most common methods I've found are baking soda and Microballoons. Baking soda is very controversial in that some people swear by it, whereas others hate it, saying it yellows over time and can attract bugs. There are good arguments for both sides - some people have had dios for 10+ years without yellowing or bugs, while others haven't been so lucky. If you decide on this method, HERE is an article from ML that might help you.
Microballoons is described by Lynn Kessler in his book "How to Build Armor Dioramas" as "a finely ground styrofoam used by R/C aircraft modelers to make fillets in balsa wood". I have heard some say that the Woodland Scenics snow is the same thing. I've also heard that it can be very irritating to your sinuses if inhaled. Jan mentions this in his article on Making trees. It seems to give very good results, however, and I will probably use it on my current dio. If I can find it, that is.
As for other methods, I used Sweet n' Low for my diorama and found the grains to be much too big, so I wouldn't recommend that route. You can see a picture here:
I'm sure there are many more methods that I haven't outlined here, so keep researching. You will also probably get a lot of responses here.
HTH,
Samuel
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 12:00 PM UTC
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hi
I am working on one diorama there I want to have snow and snow intermixed clay.
Someone who can help me with techniques, and what materials work to use, etc,
Grateful for replies
And don't forget this product as well, Snow/Ice Coat, available on your side of the pond from Cammett's (and here's a really cool tutorial )
Snow-Coat
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 12:46 PM UTC
I know this mat seem a bit un-orthidox, but i think i have stumbled upon a great way to acheive the look of freshly fallen snow (like a light sprinkle)
One morning when i was camping i looked on the ground where i had brushed my teeth the night before. The bubbly combination of water and lathered toothpaste was spat on the grass the night before. However, all the water had evaporated, leaving a perminent, powdery looking snow.
One morning when i was camping i looked on the ground where i had brushed my teeth the night before. The bubbly combination of water and lathered toothpaste was spat on the grass the night before. However, all the water had evaporated, leaving a perminent, powdery looking snow.
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 01:45 PM UTC
I have used Woodland sceneics snow, over a coat of Vallejo clear water, ocassionally I add micro-balloons
Petran
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 07:27 PM UTC
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Baking soda is a very cheap and convincing method,just coat surface with white glue and water mix then spinkle soda over this with a sieve,once dry you can spray on a laquer coat to preserve and protect.
Steve
what is this spray?
Kinggeorges
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2008 - 12:50 AM UTC
Hello,
I would recommend you sodium bicarbonate or baking soda in english.
Cheap and very effective.
Best,
Julien
I would recommend you sodium bicarbonate or baking soda in english.
Cheap and very effective.
Best,
Julien
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2008 - 04:29 AM UTC
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Quoted TextBaking soda is a very cheap and convincing method,just coat surface with white glue and water mix then spinkle soda over this with a sieve,once dry you can spray on a laquer coat to preserve and protect.
Steve
what is this spray?
Pedros baking soda is a powder that is used for cooking,it comes in a small tub and you have to sprinckle it onto your diorama basework.
Steve
perlossing
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2008 - 04:46 AM UTC
Hi guys
Thanks a lot; you have been to big help.
Thanks a lot; you have been to big help.