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Trumpeter M1127 Stryker RV
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 03:43 AM UTC
I have just bought the above new kit. Having opened the box I couldn’t resist buying this model. Detail looks amazing, can't comment on the accuracy as I am not familiar with the vehicle. I think it will build into a superb looking model. The box is large and pretty full with, kit parts, Photo Etched brass, masks for the hatch glazing, Water, Beverage & MRE Ration boxes, Strapping, 4 crew figures and stowage Everything you need to build a complete model, for £23 not bad. I think I will be building more of these kits. I’m not going to start adding other PE sets so where have these vehicles saw action in Iraq and Afghanistan I presume.


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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 04:19 AM UTC
So pics will a great addition to your post
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 04:25 AM UTC
Its a nice kit, but still not too impressed with it. I got a couple of them, and after looking it over, some detail is still missing and that lower hull bottom is still what it is. Some parts are nice while others are underscaled or simplified. The tires are a little skinny, but now have the trades on them. Is that the trade off we get? The fit of top hull to bottom is fiddly.
They could've made the plastic slightly thicker. I'll be replacing my LRAS with an AM part, to include the power assisted 2nd Gen mount for it. The etch parts are nice too.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 06:30 AM UTC

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.I’m not going to start adding other PE sets so where have these vehicles saw action in Iraq and Afghanistan I presume.




The problem here is that any Strykers that were in Iraq had the slat armor. Every single one. Not just later ones. I think Afganistan would be the same.

I don't have the patience or money for that but wanted to build the Stryker and make it look "used", but unless you're putting it in a dio that is obviously Iraq it doesn't really matter. Please post pics! Here's my AFV 1130:
Sorry about the pic quality. It's a deliberate attempt to hide the flaws and mistakes;-)
I've also done the 1126 from AFV and the 1128 & Trumps 1127 are "in the post"
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 10:31 AM UTC
Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 02:21 PM BST

I just recieved mine and Trumpeter is getting the most part of my kit budget.
What other company gives you more of a bang for your buck?
Besides slat armor and glue,it has everything.
Stowage,tie down straps,masking for windshield,beverage and ration boxes,3 figures and what I love about Trumpeter is the option between using PE or molded parts.
They are fast becoming or actually are the best for modern kit builders.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 11:52 AM UTC
Quite agree Tom.So we can't model it in an Iraqi or Afghan setting because of the slot Armour. So where has this piece of kit seen action .
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 12:51 PM UTC
It is used by the US Army in Korea. That might be an option.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 12:53 PM UTC
iraq for now. there are no strykers in korea, 3/2 was over there for "Foal Eagle" none remained behind.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 08:55 PM UTC
How about a diorama of a training setting in the US, or do those have slat armour too?

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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 09:46 PM UTC
I recommended all who plan Stryker without Slat armor very interested book from Bob Burik NTC Fort Irwin
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 10:16 PM UTC
Now said all Strykers have slat armor.
Do the M-1128 ones do I have heard they do not come with it?
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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 10:54 PM UTC
All variants have SLAT mounted. Just the M1128 has a diffrent design than the others so that there is room for the turret to rotate 360 degrees.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 11:39 PM UTC
Any other country have these and if so have they used them in any conflict.

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Posted: Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 12:16 AM UTC
Israel has a few Strykers but I have no idea if they have been used in active duty. Cool mods though.
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Posted: Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 06:55 AM UTC

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Israel tested a grand total of 4 Strykers.



Somewhat under duress too, from what I remember reading.

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Posted: Friday, September 26, 2008 - 02:30 AM UTC
Gary
I note from your reply, that you say "Ones with out slat armor don't go into"action". What would there role be. I presume that there are very few areas in Iraq that you can travel without slat armour.
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Posted: Friday, September 26, 2008 - 03:02 AM UTC
EVERY Stryker in Iraq is equipped with slat.
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Posted: Friday, September 26, 2008 - 03:03 AM UTC

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Gary
I note from your reply, that you say "Ones with out slat armor don't go into"action". What would there role be. I presume that there are very few areas in Iraq that you can travel without slat armour.
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ALL Strykers in Iraq have slat armour. There are none used in non-combat roles. Any Stryker without it is in a training setting in Germany, Hawaii, Alaska, or the mainland US. Strykers are only deployed to Iraq, not Afghanistan.
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Posted: Friday, September 26, 2008 - 05:13 AM UTC
Hi Paul

If you want to build a Stryker without slat armour and do it realistically, then your only options are the vehicles deployed in the US or Germany with the training groups or maybe support units (don't know about that one - Gino...Gary? I'm thinking miltary police or security maybe...).

As stated clearly, you would not accurately be able to show a Stryker deployed in a combat zone, war setting or 'in action' in Iraq without the slat armour. Strykers are not currently deployed to Afghanistan and never have been but who knows about tomorrow.

Why not show it as one of the training group's vehicles? They are extensively 'used and abused' so there's pleanty of chance for weathering, diorama settings, showing it with figures, stowage etc. You could also build a 'what if' project and show it they way you want. There's a thread or two around here about someone wanting to build a Tiger tank and how it might be used on the moon or mars.......oh dear.... It is possible to go too far with 'what if' projects (only my opinion.....).

If you're building the model just for you and accuracy of setting is not a concern, then build it the way you want. Show an Iraqi deployed vehicle without slat armour, who cares. Just bear in mind that any contest or show you enter it into will pick up on that point and you'll be judged on it accordingly. If you post pictures of it here and call it 'accurate', then you'll get some pretty strong reactions. If you don't care about that, then whatever.

There is a wealth of information here on Armorama and lots of expert opinion and fact. There are more than a few people who post here and show their work who use these vehicles or are around them every day and have direct experience with their history and current deployment. There are also those that have done extensive research and have archives at their finger tips. If you ask, you'll get answers... Just remember, at the heart of it, we're all model builders and love the hobby.

Above all, have fun with it....

Bob
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Posted: Friday, September 26, 2008 - 07:05 AM UTC
Is the Slat put on pre or post deployment? There is a repair/rebuild center in Quatar AFAIK. Is this where the slat armor is attached? Presumably there's a testing ground there. A possibility of seeing one w/out slat in a desert environment! Pushing the "what if" a wee bit, but better than a Mars setting....
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