Hi guys,
Thanks for all of your motivation during this project but it is officially canned for the meantime.
After building a new dam and leaving to dry for the last weeks, today I removed the dam and as I expected their were "sink holes" everywhere.
It appears even despite leaving adequate drying time between fine layers, that the Vallejo water either just doesn't want dry out or air bubbles seem to appear everywhere.
I will try to salvage as much as possible to be re-used and start this base from scratch..this time using a two part resin.
A word of warning...keep well away from "Vallejo Still Water".
This product shouldn't be advertised as a medium for achieving any form of depth.
It has been a HUGE let down in an otherwise fabulous modeling range..
Cheers,
Shay
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kiwibelg
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 03:55 AM UTC
Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 04:17 AM UTC
Sorry to hear that Shay. Looking forward to seeing the next version
Cheers,
C.
Cheers,
C.
dbudd
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 04:39 AM UTC
I've found to get any kind of water depth you need to use something like a polyester resin. It comes out very nice, but it is very nasty stuff to work with. It smells terrible and (as came to a very rude surprised to me) will dissolve styrofoam.
Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 07:20 AM UTC
Ola Shay
Very sorry to hear that mate... But I echo what you said on the Vallejo water... for "reflections" the original plan was to use water from Faller what by the sound of it was probably exactly the same stuff as what Vallejo offers.. I'm glad that I tested it out in Plastic cups first and didn't like the look of it. So yeah I went with 2 part Epoxy as well. Rebuilt it an I'm sure it will come out much much better. Only watch out what you make your dam off... don't do Evergreen... the resin sticks like crazy on that stuff.
Very sorry to hear that mate... But I echo what you said on the Vallejo water... for "reflections" the original plan was to use water from Faller what by the sound of it was probably exactly the same stuff as what Vallejo offers.. I'm glad that I tested it out in Plastic cups first and didn't like the look of it. So yeah I went with 2 part Epoxy as well. Rebuilt it an I'm sure it will come out much much better. Only watch out what you make your dam off... don't do Evergreen... the resin sticks like crazy on that stuff.
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Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 10:05 PM UTC
Sorry to hear about your troubles Shay, very frustrating I can imagine. Can't offer up any advice, having never done anything with portraying water, other than give it a whirl again! Good luck with the next round.
Cheers -
Tim
Cheers -
Tim
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 08:00 PM UTC
Sounds bad Shay Well if you happen to use some resin, try to take care of doing some really waterproof base (wood and stuff like Miliput or strong glue for the joints on the borders).
I would advise against the Polyester resin, it's not only that it smells bad, it's just that it's plain dangerous to pour and stays dangerous practically forever as it keeps some half life afterwards. If you have some kids at home, your diorama stays in the garden shed like i do at home
Epoxy resin is twice more expensive but 10 times less dangerous.
Good luck anyway in salvaging your project!
JB
I would advise against the Polyester resin, it's not only that it smells bad, it's just that it's plain dangerous to pour and stays dangerous practically forever as it keeps some half life afterwards. If you have some kids at home, your diorama stays in the garden shed like i do at home
Epoxy resin is twice more expensive but 10 times less dangerous.
Good luck anyway in salvaging your project!
JB
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:09 PM UTC
Hi guys,
Thanks Tim,David,Charles, JBA and Robert!
I have been too busy this week to attempt anything more , but it looks like I can get it finished with a bit luck instead of having to remove everything and starting fom scratch.
Now i just have to rest my damned hernia this weekend..
Cheers,
Shay
Thanks Tim,David,Charles, JBA and Robert!
I have been too busy this week to attempt anything more , but it looks like I can get it finished with a bit luck instead of having to remove everything and starting fom scratch.
Now i just have to rest my damned hernia this weekend..
Cheers,
Shay
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:01 PM UTC
Hello friend.
I regret that you have the problem with the water.
I myself lately with the resin of two components, it formed the "block" of water and then with a product called Oleoaquil which is the most economical and commercial version of the Vallejo Water, made the surface shaping the ripples and waves.
Ie deep water with two components and resin on it the Oleoquil
(is the same as the Vallejo Water, find it in stores of fine arts)
saludos
Domi
I regret that you have the problem with the water.
I myself lately with the resin of two components, it formed the "block" of water and then with a product called Oleoaquil which is the most economical and commercial version of the Vallejo Water, made the surface shaping the ripples and waves.
Ie deep water with two components and resin on it the Oleoquil
(is the same as the Vallejo Water, find it in stores of fine arts)
saludos
Domi