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M48 Nam color?
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 07:38 AM UTC
What is the basic color for a Nam m48a3?
Thanks
Wayne
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 07:51 AM UTC
Olive drab I guess..
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 08:08 AM UTC
I dont think it was olive drab like MM FS34087
I though it was nor like a field green
I was looking to see if there was an exact color or mix of colors that someone knew of
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 08:08 AM UTC
Flat Olive Drab. Here's an M48A3 I did recently and painted with Model Master Acryl Olive Drab. Tamiya also makes a very good olive drab acrylic that is darker, if you prefer.
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 09:28 AM UTC
Wayne,
Actually, US armor was painted in a color darker than OD. It is similar to the "OD/dark greenish-black" that is used on current helicopters... Saying that, get something close on your model and the weathering process will adjust your final color much like the weather of Viet Nam did to the vehicle paint... I have used MM Dark Green on a previous with good results.

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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 09:44 AM UTC
Thank you all for the help
I went darker on this one with some lighter highlights
and will count on the weathering to bring it all out
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 09:49 AM UTC
All of the vehicles I saw, including the tanks were a dark forest green. Because of variations in paint lots, manufacturers, etc., there were differences from unit to uinit and even vehicle to vehicle, depending upon when and where the vehicle was last painted.

I didn't see any OD vehicles while I was there.

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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 09:50 AM UTC

Heres one I did about 3 years ago
Losy pic sorry
Kinda olivy field green
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 09:55 AM UTC

Another shot of the same vehicle
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:47 AM UTC
Model Masters Dark Green FS34679 is the color of our tanks,APC's and Trucks for the Army while I was stationed there in 67-69.
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 11:13 AM UTC
Here's an Esci 1/72 M48A3 that I built back in 1987 or 1988 when the first came out. I think I used Model Master FS34079 which is probably a bit too dark right out of the jar. The photo shows the color even darker than it is in real life, but as Gino mentioned, in scale colors appear different. Also, the model could use more weathering, but its the first model I built as a then young adult. It nearly was painted olive drab because I think most kit manufacturing tended to specify OD green for any military vehicle. If memory serves me, I used olive drab for the searchlight cover and mantlet. Not that I am in anyway implying this is a good model for a reference. Also, excuse the damage from the moving our house. Just haven't had time to fix them up.

Not to speak for him, but I think Dave meant FS34079, not FS34679. Looks like something I'd mistype. I think its a common misconception that olive drab is the military color of choice. Maybe WWII Allied armor and vehicles, but even then colors have changed what was and is now considered olive drab. Even the Internet can be full of confusing information and people claiming to be right.

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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 01:57 PM UTC

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What is the basic color for a Nam m48a3?
Thanks
Wayne



Semi Gloss Olive Drab FS 24087 for Army vehicles. Marine vehicles were finished in Marine Corps Green.
The Model Master FS 34087 shade is based on the lighter flat Olive Drab shade introduced for helicopters in 1965. The FS-595a color book had its chip changed to match this shade in 1967, which made a hash of the book's color system (the number codes actually do attempt to reflect hue and chroma). The recent editions of the FS-595b color book avoid the issue by omitting the FS 34087 chip entirely. Unfortunately, most Olive Drab model paints (except Tamiya's acrylic and the original Humbrol 66 enamel) are matched to this revised chip, which is really only applicable to Army helicopters from 1965 to about 1974. The original shade was quite dark, and some units added black to the basic color at the whim of the divisional commander, a practice that apparently started in the 1950's.
Olive Drab was dropped in 1974 in favor of the four-color MERDC cammo, which used FS 34079 as a base color. There were twelve colors to choose from, based on where a unit was to operate, but the whole scheme was just too manpower intensive, and by the 1980's, many units left their vehicles in 34079 overall. In the late 1980's, the present three-color NATO camouflage was adopted.
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Posted: Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 11:48 AM UTC

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Semi Gloss Olive Drab FS 24087 for Army vehicles. Marine vehicles were finished in Marine Corps Green.
The Model Master FS 34087 shade is based on the lighter flat Olive Drab shade introduced for helicopters in 1965. The FS-595a color book had its chip changed to match this shade in 1967, which made a hash of the book's color system (the number codes actually do attempt to reflect hue and chroma). The recent editions of the FS-595b color book avoid the issue by omitting the FS 34087 chip entirely. Unfortunately, most Olive Drab model paints (except Tamiya's acrylic and the original Humbrol 66 enamel) are matched to this revised chip, which is really only applicable to Army helicopters from 1965 to about 1974. The original shade was quite dark, and some units added black to the basic color at the whim of the divisional commander, a practice that apparently started in the 1950's.
Olive Drab was dropped in 1974 in favor of the four-color MERDC cammo, which used FS 34079 as a base color. There were twelve colors to choose from, based on where a unit was to operate, but the whole scheme was just too manpower intensive, and by the 1980's, many units left their vehicles in 34079 overall. In the late 1980's, the present three-color NATO camouflage was adopted.



Thanks to everyone. I knew it was something like that, more than one "olive drab". I think some of the pre-Model Master testor olive drab paints were something different still

The irony to this is many years ago, I entered a model contest with a helicopter painted MM FS34087. During judging I heard that it was the wrong color and should be considered. Not that my model was the greatest thing ever, but it was frustrating. Years later on the Internet, I got involved in a conversation with a pilot and crew chief who had numerous photos showing how differently the paint weathered. It depended on many factors, but even the FS paints weren't a sure match to an accurate model of a vehicle having seen a period of combat use. Ah, the joys of modelling.

I was wondering if there is a FS34679 color in FS595? I didn't think there was such a MM color, that's the only reason why I stated that I was assuming Dave meant FS34079 being a closer match to the dark olive drab.
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