Anyone have references for a South African M10 in Blue/Black and a Sand camouflage. Used during the Italian Campaign. Looking fr any marking help as well.

Thanx

Doug

are you after the actual camoflauge or the markings?

Both if possible.

Doug

A definite maybe, Doug. Standard CW tank camo in 1943 for the MTO was a base coat of Light Mud with a disruptive pattern of Blue-Black or Dark Olive green. I do know that the British 72nd AT regiment, RA had camo'd M10's. Having said that, I must note that the TD's don't seem to have been camo'd as consistently as the tanks; and I have nothing specific in my references on the South African units. HTH,
Greg

I don't think M-10's in the MTO wore that camo, not to say it could not of happened, I just don't remember seeing photo's anywhere of one in that camo set-up.

I know the M4's and M3 Stuarts were painted that way up till early '42, (not sure on date, Greg might correct me on that one.) than switched to all sand color.

The MTO is not one of my strong points when it comes to camo pattens, but I'm learning just like you are.

Try Wikipedia.org, South African Army in WWII search. I've found some info. there that's help in the past.

Hi Doug;

sorry no joy with South African, but there is this one . It is also featured in the Concord publication "British Armor in Sicily and Italy". The colouring is Light Mud over Olive Drab. I hope that is of some help.

cheers
David

David's reference is the same one my comments were drawn from. For general camo info, Mike Starmer's booklets can't be beat. Essentially, it boils down to this: There were offcially sanctioned colors and patterns to be applied to all types of veicles, and these orders went through changes. A set was issued for Alamein and carried through the end of the campaign in Tunisia. Another set, with similar patterns but different colors, was specified for Sicily and Italy in '43. Eventually, all was superseded by straight OD/SCC15 but it is clear from photos that some tanks survived in Light Mud/Blue black to the end of the war.