Hi everyone, I'm searching desperatly on a Peiper figurine that will suit my nex dio set during the Third Battle of Kharkov in 1943.

I've been trying several tweeks with some Verlinden sets and some from Dragon but I'm not very glad with them, the fact is that I'd like a figure that has a fur coat like in the image, otherwise I'll have to scratchbuild it . ehehe

Thanks for any advice, all info is more than welcomed


Peiper is the one standing on the left, next to him are Dinse and Westerhagen

If they are tailor made winter overalls, maybe. Dont know mind? will soviet tanker overalls work with a lot of scratch building Hope you find the answers. Geraint

Daniel,

My firewall is blocking your picture, and I've had to do some fancy footwork to try see the picture, so I hope what I saw is the same as you posted

Dani, the two standing men appear to be wearing the one-piece, seven button Panzer coveralls. Whether Peiper is wearing it over a collared sheepskin overjacket or if he's merely had a collar attached to the coveralls I can't tell.

It should be pretty easy to find figures wearing the coveralls though...

Pity you can't use the new Pieper figure Alpine's releasing in November/December...

Rudi

Did the white and grey both button to the left?

Yes, the coveralls shouldn't be confused fot the reversable 2 piece snow suits. The coveralls were manufacturered in various colours including grey, white and telo mimetico.

This should suit your needs
http://www.coloradominiatures.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1731

Good find, Matt! Thanks mate!

Thanks everyone for the interest. I thought about the figure by Yosci but I find the head quite weird and the position of the body a bit antinatural...thus it must be the closest one to what I'm looking for. Nevertheless I think I'll be doing a mix of some figures since I think Yosci's has been used by dozens of modelers and I look for that special something for this german officer.

I will probably use a figure by Tank that seems to have the coat I'm looking for, it has more thickness than Yosci's figure. Correct me if I'm wrong, is the coat from the SS officer a good option in here? If yes I'll just have to replace that bulldog head included and maybe use one supplied from a Dragon stock I have, precisely the Kampfgruppe Peiper in the Ardennes.

Another question I ask myself is the cap, what kind of cap is that, he seems to have a very original one, with two buttons, and doesn't seem familiar to me...I thought that he generally used the officer's cap, no one like that...



Rudi, what do you think, by looking at the picture, is the coat's color? and was is Telo mimetico ?

Too many questions on a thursday evening, I'm sorry for all the buzz. Thanks again everyone

Hey Dani,

Unfortunately I'll have to wait till I get home to see that picture - my work firewall blocks photobucket since someone associated it with porn!

Which Tank figure did you have in mind? I had a quick look through their catalogue and didn't see any German's in coveralls.

I must admit the first photo isn't very complimentary to the cap, although perhaps it's a fur lined version of the Einheitsfeldmütze?

If you wait till December, you can use the head from the Alpine set. Taesung's releasing it with both the M1934 Schirmmütze and M42 Feldmütze field cap

Rudi

The overalls worn by Peiper are simply the reversible winter combination for Waffen-SS AFV crew.
These were field gray reversible to white. (I've illustrated them as mouse gray but believe that is incorrect now). Peiper's field cap looks to be a customized M43 cap which might add credence to his overalls having a custom fur collar. Simply the privileges of rank and position.

FWIW,
Ron Volstad

Rudi, I think you're right about the cap, it looks like a "home made" conversion to an Einheitsmutze" to me also. These were very common, the purpose made winter caps were in short supply. Peiper & his ilk were never sticklers for dress regulations in the field, & in virtually every photo taken of him, he's wearing some item of non-regulation kit. Even the officers cap with which he is normally associated was the "old style" officers field cap which was obsolete, so therefore the mark of a veteran. I have to say that I don't ever remember seeing a photo of him wearing an officers overcoat like the figure in Daniels photo. BTW Daniel, I see you have Max Wunsche as the photo on your header, another of the LAH "old boys", also at Kharkov in 1943, where he was a battalion commander in the panzer regiment.

I saw some pictures in Calvin Tan's blog and they look just stunning, as you can expect from Alpine. You're probably right Rudi, I'll wait for december an use them, still are the Tank figures I showed useful to make my custom figure?

As Ron Volstat pointed out, the color pattern of the coat is grey? or am I wrong?
Almost all the gear of J.Peiper was very original and oldie, adding some esthetical richness making him what he was, a respected officer inside the german army.

To Steve, maybe if you remember an old post of mine, it's Peiper's sd.kfz 251/6 C that I'm building, also known as Emil, and I think not only the vehicle has to be peculiar but also the figures are important and Peiper's must be "one of a kind"... And about Max Wünsche, yes he's one of the "old boys" of the LAH. Considering the thin line there is in our beloved hobby about been a fanatic or simply, like in my case, liking the esthetical part or the historical one and the stakes there where, I don't adhere to any kind of apology to these men, but I consider their stories interesting, rich, and exciting. Besides, almost all of them are represented in Alpine Miniatures, I already have Meyer and Wünsche, which I believe Harmms and Tan captured the whole spirit surrounding these guys... And well the picture I found about Wünsche is quite interesting too, you can almost forget that he wasn't at the front with that huge smile he has and the freezing temperature when the picture was taken. There you have it, hehehe

cheers

don´t know if anyone has mentioned it, but Dragon has a kit called "Kampfgruppe Peiper " (Jochen Peiper and staff, Ardeness 1944) and it´s of course made of plastic, but one could always switch the head to a nice one from Hornet that looks similar to Pieper...

regards
Thomas

Thanks for the tip cyberdemon, I already have that kit, but sincerely it's not really accurate regarding the face, the one from Alpine looks far more satisfying.

Thanks for clarifying that, Ron. I'd had a look through my references but wasn't 101% certain.

Incidentally, which title did you illustrate this for? I'd be keen to add it to my library.





Dani,

Sorry about the delayed response.

Are you refering to the officer? Both the officer and soldier appear to be wearing fieldgrey greatcoats - so totally different
Telo mimetico was Italian camo

HTH

Rudi

Hi

I would completely forget about using any Tank figure to convert to Pieper. These are in scale on the large side of 1/35, like the Miniart figures that I believe derive from the same sculptor.

Pieper on the other hand was not a stocky figure, quite slight in build, and I actually think Yosci figure is a pretty good likeness although the painting on the figure shown is a bit heavy on the facial detail/contrasts.

He was one of the "pretty boys" much used by the Nazi propaganda machine for his boyish good looks. Along with a few others, including of course Max Wunsche any photo opportunity was used to extol them in the eyes of the German people at the time.

Alan

Alan, I totally agree on the body complexion of Peiper, but that head from Yosci is just wrong . Therefore I'll wait for the one from Alpine and maybe use the yosci body, still, does anyone have any idea on a figure just depicting that coat on the first picture?

Hi

It's not a coat but a one piece just like the guy standing next to him and the Yosci figure.

Alan

Hi

I checked Hornet/Wolf but nothing suitable. You might get a good base figure within the Warriors range. I can't spare the time to look through at present as I've got work to finish. Here is a link to Netmerchants who in the UK stock quite a range, but others may also in other countries carry them, especially in the US.
Warror figures

Alan

thanks a lot for your time, haven't checked the warriors range yet, I'll have a look

Dani,

I had a look through the Warriors and Verlinden ranges for you. Nothing in the Warriors series caught my eye as being suitable. Verlinden has a few tankers in overalls which may be suitable, but in all cases you'd have to add the fur collar.

N°2428 1:35 Panzer Officers (2 Figures)



N°1187 1:35 German Infantry Ardennes WWII (the tanker appears to be wearing overalls, but given the size of the pic I can't be sure)



N°1007 1:35 Tiger Tank Crew (2 Fig.) (ditto per above)



N°1014 1:35 Cigarette Break (2 Fig.)



HTH

I'll try have a look through the DML ranges for you just for a body - you'll have to add an appropriate head...

Rudi

A few more resin options to choose from. All require modification in varying degrees.

Alpine Miniatures AM-35030 SS Panzer Officer



Yosci Y-G05 Kurt "Panzer" Meyer, Kharkov 1943



Wolf Miniatures WM-AW30 SS Officer ("Herr Meyer")



2 More, but much more modification required...

Hornet Models HM-GH12 AFV Crewman



Wolf Miniatures WM-AW41 German in Camo Overall



As you can see, plenty to choose from to serve as a base for your figure...

Rudi

really nice, Thanks Rudi for the interest and for your time. I must say I prefer the the Verlinden and the Alpine variants you proposed. Especially the VP 2428, I'll have to put some gloves on and the fur collar, I suppose very diluted epoxy putty from tamiya or others will do just right. Thanks again everyone

Hi

A word of caution. I don't own any Verlinden figures but I understand these come up quite large, in some cases I've read closer to 1/32 scale rather than 1/35. If you intend using the Alpine Pieper head it may be too small on the Verlinden body.

I'd certainly go the Alpine head, especially with the sidecap, a very good likeness and a credit to Taesung's skills as a sculptor. Then mate it with the Kurt Meyer body from Yosci or the original Peiper figure from Yosci to get the one piece.

Although Rudi's selection is very good showing figures with one piece coveralls, some are Tanker suits and as such not padded and so lack "body".

If your interested punch in J. Peiper into the search on You Tube, you'll find a few videos of the man available to watch if you haven't seen them already.

Alan

Agreed. Many of the overalls shown here are the thinner camo overalls. The snow overalls were similar to the padded 2 piece winter suits and had blanket material "sandwiched" between the 2 layers of outer material (wool? rayon?). Thus, as Alan mentioned, much bulkier.

To be honest, I agree with Alan, I'd say your best (and easiest) option is to go for the Yosci body with the forthcoming Alpine head