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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2008 - 02:15 AM UTC
Trumpeter is fast fulfilling the wishes for modellers who prefer modern subjects. There has been a lot of treads recently dealing with kits they are releasing or developing. I recently purchased my first Trumpeter kit the M1127 Stryker. On the bases of that kit and the anticipated releases I will certainly be buying more. I had in the past asked the question as to why manufacturers didn’t release that many modern subjects. The answer given was that the manufacturers didn’t believe that there was a market for these kits. Trumpeter obviously doesn’t agree with that analysis. I have also notice that manufacturers like Dragon, Academy, AVF and to a lesser extent Tamiya have also released modern subjects recently. I note that newer manufacturers like Hobbyboss are planning quite a few new modern subjects.
I think that manufacturers are reading and responding to treads like this. Could I ask any of the designers working for the above companies to please advise their company to develop a kit, the British Army Land rover as used in Afghanistan? I know that you will get a load of people asking for every other modern vehicle from all over the world but I think this one would be a winner.

Now my hope is this message gets read by the right people.

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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2008 - 02:33 AM UTC
Paul, which specif version of the Land Rover are you thinking of? Accurate Armour do a few, and regularly add new versions to their line-up. I know they are resin, and not cheap, but they are very nice. My personal wish is that one day a SWB Lightweight landy becomes available...


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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2008 - 03:19 AM UTC
I agree Paul. Some modern Land Rovers would be nice and can I add a request for some up-to-date Humvees? Getting the Tamiya base kit and a M1114 upgrade kit is not cheap.

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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2008 - 04:10 AM UTC
I totally agree with you regarding the Land Rover.. and I've said this many times in past threads.. Such a widely used vehicle and "almost' nonexistant in PLASTIC kit form.

I hope Trumpeter keeps it up and gives us an even wider variety of modern vehicles from various countries.. And Hobby Boss too. I basically stopped buying kits from other manufacturers (Except for some Tamiya 1/48 scale stuff) and just wait and see what these two companies will come up with... as even their WW II stuff is "usually" of vehicles never done before in plastic.

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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2008 - 08:43 AM UTC
I agree, I too believe some model maufacturers have begun reading these forums, because I've asked for several wheeled vehicles and a couple of airplanes, which later appeared. We know that Trumpeter is monitoring these sites; other companies are probably paying attention, too. You would have to be blind, deaf, stoned and drunk not to realize that modelers everywhere are hoping for a Land Rover.
There are so many cool ones, it's hard to say which one would make me happiest. I guess a British one from Afghanistan would be great, and an older-style Australian one from the Vietnam war. But I guess when we finally do see a new Land Rover kit, most of us will rush out and snap it up without caring too much about what kind it is. Don't be surprised if we do see one pretty soon. The manufacturers have to know we want one badly.
PS-A Pinzgauer would be nice too!
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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2008 - 09:54 AM UTC
Yes Henk, i know that AA make excellent land rovers but they are in resin, hard to work with and quite expensive. I think any of the vehicles currently used and in 1/35 scale plastic would do. Oh and i forgot to say a few modern figure sets, in plastic wouldn't go amiss.
I'm not against the WW2 stuff some of the figure and vehicles released for this period are fantastic.i just like the modern stuff.
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 06:57 AM UTC

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Trumpeter is fast fulfilling the wishes for modellers who prefer modern subjects. There has been a lot of treads recently dealing with kits they are releasing or developing.... I think that manufacturers are reading and responding to threads like this..



I must admit to NOT being much of a 'fan' of Modern Armor at all, saying that, with some of the stuff which has been posted on the Forums re. Strykers, it HAS piqued my interest. The one 'Modern Purchase' will be the Centauro. Having seen them in the 'flesh' I cannot resist building something that big.

Part of all this is due to some of the (Very) informative Posts which many people have made here. I rarely participate in them, but I do read most...
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 07:22 AM UTC
Like i have said in previous posts it good that trump have the guts to go ahead and offer modern AFV's hopefully other manufacturers will take note.

good luck to trump and there future releases
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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2008 - 07:45 AM UTC

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Trumpeter is fast fulfilling the wishes for modellers who prefer modern subjects. There has been a lot of treads recently dealing with kits they are releasing or developing. I recently purchased my first Trumpeter kit the M1127 Stryker. On the bases of that kit and the anticipated releases I will certainly be buying more. I had in the past asked the question as to why manufacturers didn’t release that many modern subjects. The answer given was that the manufacturers didn’t believe that there was a market for these kits. Trumpeter obviously doesn’t agree with that analysis. I have also notice that manufacturers like Dragon, Academy, AVF and to a lesser extent Tamiya have also released modern subjects recently. I note that newer manufacturers like Hobbyboss are planning quite a few new modern subjects.
I think that manufacturers are reading and responding to treads like this. Could I ask any of the designers working for the above companies to please advise their company to develop a kit, the British Army Land rover as used in Afghanistan? I know that you will get a load of people asking for every other modern vehicle from all over the world but I think this one would be a winner.

Now my hope is this message gets read by the right people.

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I agree. Modern Land Rovers would be nice
One can but live in hope.
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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2008 - 10:18 AM UTC
Well I hope that their M1078 will be a starting point for all the famliy of new truck, with up-armored cabin, the 6 wheels version and so one.

A better version of French VAB ??? compare to heller??
And the new French 8 wheeled VBCI whynot ???



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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2008 - 12:30 PM UTC
I like VAB, VBCI, VCI ,VCC-80 PUMA, AMV TURAN, BMR-600,and so on. BUT I need line drawing and time.
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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2008 - 01:11 PM UTC
And any Land Rovers, (again) this cannot be over stated.

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2008 - 01:55 PM UTC
This is a question that I have for a long time but I did not know if it is appropriate to ask openly in a forum like this.

Henk or other forum moderators, please remove this thread if you find that it is not appropriate.

There has been a lot of request not only in the forum but in others as well for Model kit manufacturer to develop model kit of modern or the latest tank, AFV or vehicle and some are currently in used in actual operation.

In my simplistic thinking, if these East Asia kit manufacturer is able to create a somewhat accurate model of the latest vehicle used in the field, e.g stryker variant, LAV variant, Ariete variant etc, does it means that these military technology is easily accessible?

I just wondering out loud here if these information is indeed easily assessable, what will happen if some of the "rouge" nation get hold of these model, analyze them, determine where the weak spot of the vehicle are, wouldn’t this put the boys operating these vehicle in the field in grave danger….

Just a thought....
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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2008 - 02:14 PM UTC
If a "rouge nation" had it in for a us, we'd just take away their applicators.
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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2008 - 04:54 PM UTC
@ Mike
I have been working on the Bushmaster in Spring and i had the opportunity to see it and take dimension at Eurosatory during an hour without any problem, so yes it is easy to access dimension at least the most important for us, the rest I will not post it here.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 07:28 AM UTC
I would assume that the kit manufacturers need some permission from the manufactures of the actual vehicle to be able to manufacture it under licensee. Otherwise would they would be in breach of some imaging or copyright law. Also the manufacturers would not provide details of top secret or specialist operation systems.


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Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 07:59 AM UTC
Hi Paul,

I don't build any modern stuff but I'd strongly support your call for a Land Rover , well what you need is a range of versions from post war to modern.

Good luck, hope someone takes notice.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 08:16 AM UTC
I agree with the Land Rovers. They need them out in the spotlight seeing as they are used in hotspots at the moment.

But, now my 2 cents for recommendations. How about wreckers/maintenace vehicles ?? WW 2 versions or modern. Any era really. I know ACCURATE ARMOUR has some gorgeous ones in thier lineup. But the price is just NUTS ! But you do get what you pay for.

Still, I think it would be great to add them to the plastic lineup.

Bring on the wreckers !!!!!!!!! Please.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:44 AM UTC

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This is a question that I have for a long time but I did not know if it is appropriate to ask openly in a forum like this.

Henk or other forum moderators, please remove this thread if you find that it is not appropriate.

There has been a lot of request not only in the forum but in others as well for Model kit manufacturer to develop model kit of modern or the latest tank, AFV or vehicle and some are currently in used in actual operation.

In my simplistic thinking, if these East Asia kit manufacturer is able to create a somewhat accurate model of the latest vehicle used in the field, e.g stryker variant, LAV variant, Ariete variant etc, does it means that these military technology is easily accessible?

I just wondering out loud here if these information is indeed easily assessable, what will happen if some of the "rouge" nation get hold of these model, analyze them, determine where the weak spot of the vehicle are, wouldn’t this put the boys operating these vehicle in the field in grave danger….

Just a thought....



They wouldn't need plastic kits for that... there are a load of books on most modern military vehicles that point out all their strengths and weekness's. Just go to Amazon and search for Stryker for example.
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2008 - 02:10 AM UTC

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I like VAB, VBCI, VCI ,VCC-80 PUMA, AMV TURAN, BMR-600,and so on. BUT I need line drawing and time.



Well if you want drawings and if my scanner is still working i could help with 1/72 drawings of the VAB (nearly all versions).
The Heller kit has right size and shapes (it's a copy of an old but good resin kit) but the fit and the detailling are so poor that i will be happy to put mine in the bins.
Hundreds of pics are available on internet and the new uparmoured (with new tyres) versions is very attractive.
I could help too with VBL drawings (in 1/48 if i remember).
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2008 - 03:20 AM UTC
I would be extremely delighted if there was a kit of this:
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/photoengins/events/Eurosatory_2008/eurosatory_2008_012.htm
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2008 - 03:31 AM UTC
Whoa! Now we know what would happen if Bruce Wayne (Batman) joined a European military!
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2008 - 04:53 AM UTC
Even though i'm not Modern Fan Numero Uno, before I started getting the images from Trump, I honestly had little idea just what was out there beyond the Abrams, Bradleys etc. and with threads like this, getting an idea of what is STILL available to do. Apart from the Centauro (and possibly one of the T62s) I don't think I could see myself becoming totally converted to Modern, but it's worth a thought...

I agree with the comments about the Landrovers but, if I was to choose just two subjects in styrene they'd be the Stalwart and the Saladin.

Modern apart, I do wish that Trumpeter would complete it's KV series with the -85
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2008 - 05:14 AM UTC

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Well if you want drawings and if my scanner is still working i could help with 1/72 drawings of the VAB (nearly all versions).
The Heller kit has right size and shapes (it's a copy of an old but good resin kit) but the fit and the detailling are so poor that i will be happy to put mine in the bins.
Hundreds of pics are available on internet and the new uparmoured (with new tyres) versions is very attractive.
I could help too with VBL drawings (in 1/48 if i remember).



In addition to Stéphane's drawings, feel free to do the best use of the many pictures I have posted in my site Do not limitate your interest to the VAB, I do think the VBL deserves more than the only current resin kit.

Olivier
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2008 - 07:01 AM UTC

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And any Land Rovers, (again) this cannot be over stated.

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Boy I'd love to have one of those for Wisconsin winters.......or Summer for that matter.
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