To my last point above, I think it is important to remember when discussing other modeler's work in public, that the decisions of said modeler are theirs alone. Re. Adam's Panther F, never has he said this is how it was. What the model represents is simply his vision of what it could look like it, merely a possibility, if you will. There is a distinct difference when using the words "could" or "might have". Many modelers take these thoughts as artistic license to produce their own work. It is Adam's superb execution of his thoughts and methods that make it worth noting. If your personal goal is 100% historical accuracy, then present your models as such. There is really no right or wrong here. I am sure there are those that would argue otherwise, but in the end it is the satisfaction, goals, and end result for each modeler that will win that argument every time.

Best, Mike

I was in the tank museum of Saumur last week and took a picture of the belly of the King Tiger where the zimmerit had come off:



J

Glad to have inspired some more discussion here.

Jim, that sounds like a valuable reference. What stand does it take on rot as a camouflage colour? Could you scan the jagdtiger photo for discussion purposes please?

James

hmmm, this photo of Jagdtiger should be officially forbidden to be used as a prove to some red-oxide, two tone etc, etc theories

On this picture the vehicle is already REPAINTED after arriving to USA. Here's a picture of the original paint. The wheels seems clearly to be in dark yellow and not red oxide. Look at the line where the shurzen have been fixed. It's a straight line all the way from the beginning to the end. The vehicle had a factory made three tone camouflage scheme with hinterhalt spots.
Some book authors should take more care about the photo they use to prove their theories.



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Some book authors should take more care about the photo they use to prove their theories.

spit

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hmmm, this photo of Jagdtiger should be officially forbidden to be used as a prove to some red-oxide, two tone etc, etc theories

On this picture the vehicle is already REPAINTED after arriving to USA. Here's a picture of the original paint. The wheels seems clearly to be in dark yellow and not red oxide. Look at the line where the shurzen have been fixed. It's a straight line all the way from the beginning to the end. The vehicle had a factory made three tone camouflage scheme with hinterhalt spots.
Some book authors should take more care about the photo they use to prove their theories.




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hi spit. you obviously didn't read the caption. this photo was not presented to prove red oxide was used as a camouflage color, two tone paint or anything like that. it is offered to show the contrast between the camouflage rotbraun of the paint on the hull and the oxidrot on the roadwheels. if the color picture is the older of the two, who is to say the the paint job you speak of didn't erode of flake off the wheels? if it was already painted before it got to the US how do you know that whoever painted it didn't use German paint? and why would anyone paint them yellow first, and then go back and repaint them oxide red and then corrode them up like they are? was it a large scale weathering job by a frustrated model builder? a special effects effort? a photographic forgery? are you saying this is an intentional deception? can anybody definitively date both pictures and locations? it seems that would go a long way to adding something constructive to the origins or believability of the pictures. what if the color picture is the original and the tank was then was painted into what you posted? sorry my friend, but it seems a bit one sided to claim something is a fiction or a forgery without offering evidence beyond your say so. like me, you are just a name at a forum. i don't know you so i have no basis with which to add weight to your words. you may be the greatest authority on German armor that ever lived! i don't mean that in a bad or sarcastic way, just stating fact. this forum is a great place to learn things most of the time, but other times people come in to a discussion and discredit everything being said without ever explaining why or what. if you can offer something so i can learn what is correct, please share it. i would be grateful!

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Absolutely--the book "German Tanks in Color" has numerous Abderdeen photos of tanks alleged to be 'in original color" where they are plainly repaints. There is paint overspray on the wheels, track faces, sprocket teeth, etc, with no sign of wear. A novice would paint up some really wacky paint schemes using this book as a reputable reference.