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Armor/AFV: IDF [Israeli Defense Forces]
Armor and AFVs of the IDF army from 1947-today.
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 11:31 AM UTC
Hello:

I'm looking if you can help me with the following:

I'm searching for reference pictures of the remote control mechanism that the Israel crews put in the .50 machine gun above the cannon. That system allows that the crew can fire the weapon from inside the turret.

Let's hope someone can help me.

Best regards.
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 12:10 PM UTC
I would suggest that you go to http://idf-in-scale.com/forum/phpBB3/index.php
It's a specialized forum about the IDF and one of the moderators is no less than the curator of the Latrun Museum and author of many books about IDF armor (Michael Mass). I'm sure he can get you what you need. He just goes out takes a picture and uploads it to the server.
It's quite amazing and an invaluable resource on IDF "everything".
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 12:42 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hello:

I'm looking if you can help me with the following:

I'm searching for reference pictures of the remote control mechanism that the Israel crews put in the .50 machine gun above the cannon. That system allows that the crew can fire the weapon from inside the turret.

Let's hope someone can help me.

Best regards.


I have a pretty clear photo of an IDF Magach fitted with a twin fifty cal arrangement mounted over the barrel of the main gun - which clearly shows a string fitted to the modified trigger arrangement and running back into the loaders hatch !!!

Don't know what sort of other remote control devices may have been employed in later vehicles - but this one is pretty "primitive"

Greg
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 01:36 PM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

Hello:

I'm looking if you can help me with the following:

I'm searching for reference pictures of the remote control mechanism that the Israel crews put in the .50 machine gun above the cannon. That system allows that the crew can fire the weapon from inside the turret.

Let's hope someone can help me.

Best regards.


I have a pretty clear photo of an IDF Magach fitted with a twin fifty cal arrangement mounted over the barrel of the main gun - which clearly shows a string fitted to the modified trigger arrangement and running back into the loaders hatch !!!

Don't know what sort of other remote control devices may have been employed in later vehicles - but this one is pretty "primitive"

Greg


Agreed. The earliest and simplest devices were made from simply welding a bar across the top of the spade grips. The bar run through a lever, which had spacers on either side to keep it centered over one of the butterfly triggers. When the top of the lever was pulled rearward by a cord, the lower portion activated the trigger.
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 12:09 PM UTC
This is my Baz and.......





.....yes, inside the hatch



I hope it can help you.


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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 05:59 AM UTC
Wooow, looks awesome that Merkava!!!! Thanks for the pics, will be very useful.

I'm looking at the anti slip coating that you put in the tank, looks great also, How do you do it?

Thanks a lot ande best regards

Dante.
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 08:15 AM UTC
Dan, I modified the original method by Marcel Jussen, using a very fine sand, as last step.
First of all I covered with tape and Maskol, all those parts that didn't need the anti-slip.
Then I spraied the whole model with hairspray and with this still wet I sprinkled over that sand I told you before.
Some pics.















Actually I've found a thinner sand (180 micron), used to sandblast metals, and I think it's closer to scale.


Guido

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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 09:04 AM UTC
Hello Guido,

I saw your Merkava on IDF-in-scale.com..

It looks great!!

I want to ask you, what kind of 0,50 caliber MG did you use? Lionroar?

Özgür
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:04 AM UTC
Thank you Ozgur.
Yes, Lion Roar for that barrel.


Guido
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 12:15 PM UTC
Thanks for the info man, looks great the effect. I have a doubt. The hairspray is strog enough to make the sand doesn't fall apart?

Abusing of your kindness, will be possible that you take a pic of the remote mechanism from the rigth side and the wires entering the turret?

Hope you can answer.

Best regards.
Panzerfan
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 12:19 PM UTC
Sorry, I'm a beast

Must ask for the LEFT side.

guido
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Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 12:03 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks for the info man, looks great the effect. I have a doubt. The hairspray is strog enough to make the sand doesn't fall apart?

Abusing of your kindness, will be possible that you take a pic of the remote mechanism from the rigth side and the wires entering the turret?

Hope you can answer.

Best regards.



Yes, the sand is still there
You noticed on the model I spraied a primer: this surely helps to prevent the sand fly away.

Guido
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Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 04:06 AM UTC
Guido,
That is very nicely done. I use a very similar method using ground up marble dust. And yes, the final paint does help affix the particles to the model:

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