Hi

Was the common uniforms (the field gray) in a variant with camouflage.
I know that there was camouflage coloured panzer uniforms
I have never seen the standard uniform with camouflage on picture, but seen characters painted so.

If there was which camo was used?

And was it used both by wehrmacht and ss?

Grateful for replies

Apologize my poor English

Per,
You are probably thinking of the Waffen SS 1943/44 model drill camoflauge uniform, which was supposed to replace both the smock & the reed green/cement coloured drill or work uniform. It was issued to the SS only from early 1944 on, & is best remembered for the "pea pattern" camoflauge (this is a post-war collectors name for it). With a pinkish brown background, it is overprinted with patches of dark green & light green & brown spots. The suit was not reversible, nor was it waterproof, which led to it being frequently worn over the normal field grey tunic or under the smock by those who retained them (the smock, being made of cotton duck material was showerproof). It was intended to replace the normal field grey in the field, so was cut quite closely (to save material also), consequently wearing it over the normal uniform led to it frequently ripping under the arms (this is often seen in wartime photos). If you are interested in painting figures wearing this uniform you could do a lot worse than purchase Calvin Tan's book on modelling SS figures (published by Osprey), which has a sample of the 5 most common SS patterns in it, including "pea".
There have been photographs published of Heer members wearing a "splinter" pattern (Heer, not SS) camoflauge jacket, but on examination they would appear to be private purchase, or items made up locally from zeltbahn material. These jackets seem to appear most commonly with Panzer Lehr & 21st Panzer in Normandy.

It was quite common for WSS officers in particular to own and wear privately-made field tunic in camouflage material, normally resembling the M1943 other ranks’ tunic in cut.

See this recent release by Alpine as an example: WSS Panzer Crew Set 44-45

HTH

Rudi :-)

Thanks for the photos Rudi, they will help me explain! The OR figure on the left is wearing the full camo version of the Panzer clothing - interestingly, I've seen a photo of a Panzergrenadier "digging in" @ Tarnopol wearing this suit under field equipment, but this is not really relevant here, as Per is interested in the M1944 (Allied nomenclature again) suit, the jacket of which the officer with binoculars is wearing. This is standard issue equipment. He has teamed them with Panzer trousers made from Italian camo cloth, brought back in large amounts by LAH after their sojurn in Italy in 1943 after Kursk. This particular item of kit became "semi-official" in 1st SS Corps & other units in Normandy due to shortages of the issue equipment, & it's ready availability. Complete suits were made of this material, & 12SS Panzergrenadiers also wore a sort of camoflauged overall in this Italian material. While the Alpine figures are excellently made, the low visibilty rank badges on the officers sleeves are too big & too pronounced, the real thing was screen printed on fabic, so the individual bars would not stand out. The mix-and-match camo is typical of 1944-on, as I said due to shortages. In addition, no helmet cover was ever issued in a matching pea pattern, so those who had them used the "oak leaf" or "plane tree" pattern ones. Alternatively, the helmet could be painted in (vehicle) cam colours.
As Rudi says, there were camo suits & tailored jackets specially made for officers, there is a well known picture of a Heer officer wearing a jacket in Splinter camo in 1936 pattern cut, with pleated pockets et al, & fully badged, but this is definitely private puchase & not an issue item.

Per & Steve,
These sites should help:

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/WaffenSS/01Uniforms.html
http://atthefront.com/g_uni_SScamouni.htm

Cheers

jjumbo

Hi

Thanks for your reply,

I have started to paint a few soldiers only to test, it is realy fun.

when they are finished and if my dig cam wil work i post pics.