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Bitte einen Jagdpanther Ausf. G1 Early Prod.
hellvetier
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 10:46 PM UTC
Hello dear Armorama fellows!

After some little projects, to gain some experience with different techniques (and posting in forums, uploading pics, ... ) I wanted to start with something bigger.
And this should be the 'Jagdpanther Sd.Kfz.173 Ausf.G1 Early Production' or simpler Dragon Kit No.6458 in 1/35 OOB



Now, the decaling and painting schemes aren't that convincing, but perhaps someone could give me a nice inspiration. Till now I have this tank in mind:



I'm a little bit confused, because I saw a lot of models who had Zimmerit applied, and some texts say that every Jagdpanther had one applied. Is this true? Because I don't like to apply one... even if it's no historically correct (though I don't really bother if some hinges and details are wrong glued. I care more about the whole look of the model ).

If you have questions and comments, It would be glad to discuss them with you! I know it's the 1'000'000 Jagdpanther vBench

So: Achtung - Fertig - Los !!!
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 10:52 PM UTC
All early Jagdpanthers had zimmerit. You can buy a resin zimmerit sheet set from Atak. It's very easy to use.
hellvetier
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 10:58 PM UTC
Ok I started to cut out the 1'000 wheels - it's my first armor project with so many wheels - till my sight got very blurry



But I made it



It took some hours to get me the wheels and the wheel suspension done



The vents will be painted first in hull red.



The backside of the jagdpanther. I thought it would be easier to paint the exhaust mufflers first and then glue them to the tank. Like some little other parts that don't have the camo color on it.



Everything went together nicely without problem. but at the rear-right there is some need for mr.surfacer or fluid putty.

Now I'm coming to step 6/16 looks like the Jagdpanther has a fast progress!
hellvetier
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 11:02 PM UTC

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All early Jagdpanthers had zimmerit. You can buy a resin zimmerit sheet set from Atak. It's very easy to use.


Thanks for the info Marc. The reason why I'm thinking about applying the zimmerit was to try my new achieved techniques on this built, wich are mostly in painting and weathering. So the zimmerit would limit my canvas to try them out

But I'm still thinking about gaining some new experience applying zimmerit with putty.
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 11:12 PM UTC
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All early Jagdpanthers had zimmerit. You can buy a resin zimmerit sheet set from Atak. It's very easy to use.


But I'm still thinking about gaining some new experience applying zimmerit with putty.

The early Jagdpanthers had the simplest Zimmerit pattern imaginable. While regulations called for two separate layers of Zimmerit, with a pattern of parallel waves or grooves on the finish coat, Jagdpanthers only received the first, "scratch" coat, which was a simple pattern of horizontal and vertical lines that divided the putty into rather rough squares (store bought Zimmerit is usually too tidy with this pattern--photos show that the German factory workers freehanded it with the edge of a trowel, and they were pretty wobbly and uneven).
To depict this type, you can use any body putty you like. Smear it on and apply the lines with an X-acto knife. The putty should go around hull fittings, not under them, as it was applied last of all, just before the vehicle was painted.
hellvetier
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 01:11 AM UTC
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All early Jagdpanthers had zimmerit. You can buy a resin zimmerit sheet set from Atak. It's very easy to use.


But I'm still thinking about gaining some new experience applying zimmerit with putty.

The early Jagdpanthers had the simplest Zimmerit pattern imaginable. While regulations called for two separate layers of Zimmerit, with a pattern of parallel waves or grooves on the finish coat, Jagdpanthers only received the first, "scratch" coat, which was a simple pattern of horizontal and vertical lines that divided the putty into rather rough squares (store bought Zimmerit is usually too tidy with this pattern--photos show that the German factory workers freehanded it with the edge of a trowel, and they were pretty wobbly and uneven).
To depict this type, you can use any body putty you like. Smear it on and apply the lines with an X-acto knife. The putty should go around hull fittings, not under them, as it was applied last of all, just before the vehicle was painted.


Thank you very much for the explanation Gerald! Could you give me a diagram where to apply the zimmerit? I have a guess from your description, but I'm not sure.

Why does Dragon depict a jagdpanther without zimmerit on the boxcover

Where can I find paint schemes for this model

Thanks for your help so far!
hellvetier
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 05:27 AM UTC
Construction continues on the top hull. Fit is perfect!





There are some PE grills for the vents. I cut them out with e metal ruler and a special kitchen board wich I thinks is laminated with teflon and has a perfect consistency. It doesn't bend the PE when cutting.



I wanted to look the grills a bit stressed so i pushed them in with a scewer. I used too much force and now there are 2 holes. Perhaps from grenades or debris falling onto it. I think it looks ok when painted.



Ready for the fenders



Thanks for looking!
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 09:10 AM UTC
Looking good so far,a nice clean build from what I see. I do have a question,does that kit include some type of interior or atleast a gun breech and mount?
Keep up the good work.

Rob
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:21 AM UTC

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Looking good so far,a nice clean build from what I see. I do have a question,does that kit include some type of interior or atleast a gun breech and mount?
Keep up the good work.

Rob


Thanks for the comment! The kit includes a gun breech and a detailed machine gun. There's a periscope and the hatches inside handles. But it's very sparse. There's no enginge or driving compartement at all.
I hope I could help you.
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:29 AM UTC
Vorwärts Marsch! Hier kommt das nächste Update!

Not much to tell. Construction without problems.



I'm going to cut the fenders in some pieces to bend them a little and make the look more used.



But first I had to fill the holes with liquid putty. (I like this the most. Very strong stuff [to inhale ] )



While drying I continued on the backdoor:



I'll let the ammunition hole (don't know the correct expression) open.

I think I'm going to try this putty zimmerit. Had some thoughts about it and saw some perfect models on the net wich convinced me!

Have a good night
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 02:59 PM UTC
A.W. this one is off to a fast start. It looks really good. Lots going on, on that rear deck. Looking great so far. Keep it going.
hellvetier
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Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 11:36 AM UTC
Jetzt gehts weiter:

I thik I finished the assembling, without the parts which i'll paint extra like periscopes.
By the way, what color do have these periscopes on the clear sprue?
And for what is this hatch?





The instruction tells you to put it on the hatch with the holes in it. But I compared it to other models and never saw this type of hatch on the top.

I didn't glue the upper hull to the chassis and the deck. Because of the zimmerit I want to apply. But I'll remove the tools-rack and glue it a little more to the front.





But that's it:











This is what you get for the inside except the periscopes:



And the hatches I'll add later:



Assembling the model was fun. The fit is excellent. I was surprised how fast a tank emerged from the plastic sprues

Now to the Zimmerit...
I've got an idea where and how to apply it. But do you put on first a base color like hull red? Because I want to try to show so Zimmerit panels who are loose or fell of so you can see the base. Could you give me a hint please?

Thanks for your help and comments in advance!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 12:50 AM UTC
Jetzt wirds schwierig!

Reading some articels about applying Zimmerit to a tank I decided to try the putty technique. The Zimmerit pattern for the Jagdpanther should be little squares. Ok let's start:

I used Mr. White Putty and some wide, old blades



First I tried it on a spare fender



Cover the edges or spaces without Zimmerit.



1. First smear on the Mr. White Putty with a 1mm thickness.

2. Then take the blade and beginn with either the horizontal or vertical lines. Pay attention that you don't cut the lines but rather push the lines in with the blade. Or the Putty squares get distorted. Adding the other lines completes the pattern.

3. Take you're time with the pattern. I noticed, that the Mr. Putty didn't dry very fast and was workable over some minutes.

4. Check you're result and if necessary go again over the lines that disappeard.









I'm happy with my first try on Putty Zimmerit but what do you think? Comments and questions welcome

If I'm out with Mr. White Putty I go outside and take some in Greetings from the putty land


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Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 02:16 AM UTC
Hello Eidgenosse,

at first congratulation that you have been having the guts to apply a self-made zimmerit.

I am sure you have much fun to see how the Zimmerit "grows" that successfully.

Some few things left to consider: The coat should be more thinner; a little bit grinding might be sufficient.

The Zimmerit also covered the welds of the hull.

Gutes Gelingen noch!
hellvetier
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Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 03:04 AM UTC
Thanks for your comment Marco!

I wasn't sure if the Zimmerit covered the welds hadn't good reference, but for the next Jagdpanther I know it. I'm scared to correct it know, that it ends up in a mess I'll try to show the Zimmerit on the corners like they have much wear and tear. (Excuse me if it's unrealistic ) And I'll grind off the Zimmerit a bit to make it thinner.
The putty wasn't very aggressive to the plastic so you can still scratch some Zimmerit tiles off, what can be very useful for weathering.

Ok, here the new pics off the whole Zimmerit applied:









I know there's Zimmerit missing at some places, like the boxes or inbetween spaces, but i haven't got any small blades. I hope it's no too bad...
I like that the Zimmerit is uneven it's looks more alive. That's why It tried the home made version. Perhaps on the painted model it'll look awkward, we will see.

It's not very difficult to apply this Zimmerit I think with a little more practise and good reference there'll be a good result.

What's the color beneath the Zimmerit Hull red


Let me know what you think
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Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 11:44 AM UTC
Machen Sie mal vorwärts Soldat!

Ok, first I airbrushed the vents with Tamiya hull red. Then I primed the vehicle with Tamiya German Gray mixed with a little bit of red brown, as a base for chipping. Then I put on a gloss coat from the can. Now I let it dry over the night. Tomorrow will be the hairspray and then the main paint scheme.

Does anyone have a suggestion for the paint scheme? That would be nice!

Good night







With the gloss coat on:


hellvetier
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Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 09:06 PM UTC
Richten Sie ihr Haar Soldat!

First thin I did this morning was to steal my girlfriends hairspray and put a coat over the model.
By the way, the hairspray would be a very good gloss coat finish I it wasn't water soluable.



Now I'm looking for some nice paint schemes.

Till later.
hellvetier
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Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 10:55 PM UTC
Hello Jungs!

As I was checking the net for other Jagdpanther models I saw some outstanding work! I liked especially the plain dunkel gelb painted.
I think the Zimmerit gets more accentuate, than in a difficult schemes. And I could experiment with highlighting... So my choice fell on plain Dunkel Gelb

So I prepeared my Aztek Airbrush with the Tan nozzle and mixed up some Tamiya xf-60 dark yellow with flat white. and put a first coat on. I used the German Grey base color for chipping as pre-shading. And I put a more layers of this color on the plain or elevated surfaces. Here's the result:









Then I mixed more white to the color and sprayed the back and the fenders.





With this lighter color I again accentuated the plain or elevated surfaces.













I hope that the different tones are getting tied together by a yellow wash. But I'm happy with the result. Let me know what you think...

Next up will be some chipping. But first I'll run my daily 10 clicks and let the paint dry.

See you later!
hellvetier
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Posted: Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 03:27 AM UTC
So, here we go:

I took a bowl of warm water, a stiff brush and tooth pick and begann with the chipping. I really tried not to overdo it. After this step I put a layer of gloss coat over it. Corrections can be later made with German Grey and a brush.

Here are the pictures:







I stupidly forgot to turn the camera on manual, so it set the light adjustment itself and I got just a few pics that are useable. More to come.
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Posted: Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 11:06 AM UTC
Nice work though the zimmerit has the look of a half finished job.
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Posted: Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 12:06 PM UTC

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Nice work though the zimmerit has the look of a half finished job.


Thanks for the comment! It's my first shot at applying Zimmerit. I gained much experience and next time I'll know what to do better. Like using some mr.surfacer and get a gritty structure. Perhaps my next build will be again a JP to get more practise
Unfortunatly I found some useful posts after I painted the tank...

Tomorrow I'll paint the periscopes and other little thingys and glue the halves together perhaps I'll apply a first wash/filter.

Have a good night!
hellvetier
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Posted: Friday, December 12, 2008 - 02:26 AM UTC
Ölen sie den Panzer ein Soldat!

I glued the little things like periscopes and finished the barrel. Then the halves were put together. There are some spots which I have missed to paint in dark yellow.

In the pictures you see the first filter/wash with yellow and white oil colors.







Thanks for looking and commenting
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Posted: Friday, December 12, 2008 - 09:07 AM UTC
Lots of guts going for the putty method on a 1st build. Things can only get better. Like they say , you can only learn from you'r own mistakes. No good reading loads of different zim methods and not trying them. Only one way forward, jump in the deep end and learn yourself . Respect Geraint
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Posted: Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:32 AM UTC
A.W. This build is looking very good. Keep up the pace and the good work. Almost done now.
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Posted: Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:32 AM UTC
A.W. This build is looking very good. Keep up the pace and the good work. Almost done now.
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