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DML BlitzKrieg in France set.
Angelus
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Posted: Friday, December 26, 2008 - 03:33 PM UTC
Gday.. I've been working on the DML Blitzkrieg in France set. I am wondering what arm are the German Figures supposed to be. They look like they should be motorcycle troops is this correct?. The set seems pretty good... though one of the figures hands was molded the wrong way round. Anyone else seen this?
jjumbo
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 06:42 PM UTC
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Gday.. I've been working on the DML Blitzkrieg in France set. I am wondering what arm are the German Figures supposed to be. They look like they should be motorcycle troops is this correct?. The set seems pretty good... though one of the figures hands was molded the wrong way round. Anyone else seen this?
Hey Angelus,
Is this the set you mean:
http://www.dragon-models.com/html/6347p1.htm
The 2 guys with the grenades and the anti-tank rifle appear to standard Heer infantry but could possibly be Panzergrenadiers or motorcycle troops.
The other 3 are an infantry officer and Sturmartillerie StuG III crew.
If it's this set, they're listed as armoured infantry.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/news/4320
Cheers
jjumbo
Angelus
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Posted: Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 07:31 PM UTC
Hey jjumbo..
Its the second set with the 2 surrendering French tankers. The 2 German figures don't look much like armoured infantry. Not that i'm an expert on such matters. A lot of their kit looks like MC troop equipment. The guy with the mp38? has goggles and they are both carrying map cases. The rifleman has some extra strapping on the helmet.
Its the second set with the 2 surrendering French tankers. The 2 German figures don't look much like armoured infantry. Not that i'm an expert on such matters. A lot of their kit looks like MC troop equipment. The guy with the mp38? has goggles and they are both carrying map cases. The rifleman has some extra strapping on the helmet.
jjumbo
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 07:11 AM UTC
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Hey jjumbo..
Its the second set with the 2 surrendering French tankers. The 2 German figures don't look much like armoured infantry. Not that i'm an expert on such matters. A lot of their kit looks like MC troop equipment. The guy with the mp38? has goggles and they are both carrying map cases. The rifleman has some extra strapping on the helmet.
Hey Angelus,
I guess they could me motorcycle troops but the guy with the MP28 and the rifleman look like typical German Panzergrenadiers.
As motorized troops, they would have had goggles and the strapping on the helmet was a common item used to attach foliage as camouflage.
This photo from the Bundesarchiv shows motorcycle troops during the invasion of France:
You can see that both of the guys in the foreground and the guys in the background are wearing the specialized motorcycle coat.
Other than the special coat, most German troops wore essentially the same kit, boots and uniform in 1940.
http://www.dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA6478
Cheers
jjumbo
Tarok
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 10:09 AM UTC
G'day mate,
Actually there's nothing in the picture that would explicitly flag these as being motorcyclists (neither wear a rubberised overcoat): the attire and gear is normal for virtually any German infantryman of the time. Certainly the Army issue goggles are of interest, however the issue and use thereof was common and widespread.
The figure on the right is undoubtedly an officer (NCO or commissioned) due to the issue of binoculars, map/document case, pistol and notably the sub-machine gun.
The box-art doesn't appear to indicate that the 2nd German infantryman carries a map case, although the sprue shots I saw on another site seem to indicate that 2 map cases are supplied. Personally I'd leave the map case off the 2nd figure if there is any doubt as to rank.
FWIW, and if the box-art is anything to go by, the piping on the officer's shoulderboards appears to be white, which would make these boys infantry (IIRC).
HTH
Rudi
Actually there's nothing in the picture that would explicitly flag these as being motorcyclists (neither wear a rubberised overcoat): the attire and gear is normal for virtually any German infantryman of the time. Certainly the Army issue goggles are of interest, however the issue and use thereof was common and widespread.
The figure on the right is undoubtedly an officer (NCO or commissioned) due to the issue of binoculars, map/document case, pistol and notably the sub-machine gun.
The box-art doesn't appear to indicate that the 2nd German infantryman carries a map case, although the sprue shots I saw on another site seem to indicate that 2 map cases are supplied. Personally I'd leave the map case off the 2nd figure if there is any doubt as to rank.
FWIW, and if the box-art is anything to go by, the piping on the officer's shoulderboards appears to be white, which would make these boys infantry (IIRC).
HTH
Rudi
jjumbo
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 10:40 AM UTC
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The figure on the right is undoubtedly an officer (NCO or commissioned) due to the issue of binoculars, map/document case, pistol and notably the sub-machine gun.
Hey Rudi,
Can't clearly see the shoulder boards but the figure holding the MP28 appears to have the white piping/board on the collar indicating a feldwebel (sergeant).
Nor does he appear to be wearing the riding style breeches of an officer.
I've never seen a build of the actual figures so it's kind of hard to tell what is what.
Angelus, can you give us a few photos of your build ??
Cheers
jjumbo
Angelus
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 10:46 AM UTC
Thanks Guys,
I guess it was just the goggles and map cases confusing me. The instructions on the back show the Rifle armed soldier having the map case on his chest. Its a shame they aren't MC troops as I was fondly imagining scratch-building an early war BMW.
BTW anyone else notice that the box art makes the French tankers look more like Japanese tankers
T
I guess it was just the goggles and map cases confusing me. The instructions on the back show the Rifle armed soldier having the map case on his chest. Its a shame they aren't MC troops as I was fondly imagining scratch-building an early war BMW.
BTW anyone else notice that the box art makes the French tankers look more like Japanese tankers
T
Tarok
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 11:21 AM UTC
Hi John,
I guess I could argue semantics saying that I never stated he was either, but I'll concede - you're right of course, he is a NCO
Hey T,
Mate, I think you may be confusing the gas sheet, which was strapped either to the front of the chest (as in this case) or on the gas mask case, for the map case. The map case is the leather document case you see buckled to the NCO's belt on his left hip if you follow the left Y-strap vertically down to the belt. The gas cape should be attached to the same strap which the gas mask gas will be attached to.
Rudi
I guess I could argue semantics saying that I never stated he was either, but I'll concede - you're right of course, he is a NCO
Hey T,
Mate, I think you may be confusing the gas sheet, which was strapped either to the front of the chest (as in this case) or on the gas mask case, for the map case. The map case is the leather document case you see buckled to the NCO's belt on his left hip if you follow the left Y-strap vertically down to the belt. The gas cape should be attached to the same strap which the gas mask gas will be attached to.
Rudi
jjumbo
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 11:46 AM UTC
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Hi John,
I guess I could argue semantics saying that I never stated he was either, but I'll concede - you're right of course, he is a NCO
Hey Rudi,
Wasn't trying to be an a**hole, just trying to point out what little you could tell from a single box-top artwork.
I'd actually like to see the figures in a build or a review to determine what they actually are.
Cheers
jjumbo
Tarok
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 12:44 PM UTC
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Wasn't trying to be an a**hole, just trying to point out what little you could tell from a single box-top artwork.
Dude! I wasn't implying anything of the sort!!
I completely agree with you, it's so difficult to get a good bead on it with the single box-art picture. I'm glad you picked up the piping on the collar - I have no idea how I missed it! Thanks for all your comments and help though - it's really appreciated!
Rudi
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 01:10 PM UTC
I just finished building the 2 French geezers and the German with the sub machine gun. IŽll post some pics of these tomorrow. 
jjumbo
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 01:32 PM UTC
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Dude! I wasn't implying anything of the sort!!
Hey, Rudi, no worries mate, I didn't take offense.
I wish there was an icon or a better way to show "tongue in cheek" in a posting !!!
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I just finished building the 2 French geezers and the German with the sub machine gun. IŽll post some pics of these tomorrow.
Thanks Frank !!!
Looking forward to seeing them !!!
Cheers guys
jjumbo
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Monday, December 29, 2008 - 01:00 PM UTC
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I just finished building the 2 French geezers and the German with the sub machine gun. IŽll post some pics of these tomorrow.
Thanks Frank !!! Looking forward to seeing them !!!
Images are now posted of three of these figures .... Direct Link
RonV
Joined: February 13, 2003
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Posted: Monday, December 29, 2008 - 02:17 PM UTC
Fellows,
I wonder if those "map cases" you've been talking about are not the leather magazine pouches for the MP28 instead? I had nothing to do with this particular set but the artwork seems to indicate that these are the ammo pouches and as such, are worn with a belt throught the loop midway up the back.
Best regards,
Ron V
I wonder if those "map cases" you've been talking about are not the leather magazine pouches for the MP28 instead? I had nothing to do with this particular set but the artwork seems to indicate that these are the ammo pouches and as such, are worn with a belt throught the loop midway up the back.
Best regards,
Ron V
Tarok
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Posted: Monday, December 29, 2008 - 03:20 PM UTC
Hi Ron,
Always terrific to see you around here I think the part the chaps are referring to is part number 7 on both figures 1 & 2. If so, then I stand by my original opinion that it's the folded gas sheet.
HTH
Rudi
Always terrific to see you around here
I think the part the chaps are referring to is part number 7 on both figures 1 & 2. If so, then I stand by my original opinion that it's the folded gas sheet. HTH
Rudi
Angelus
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Posted: Monday, December 29, 2008 - 08:38 PM UTC
Thanks Rudi,
That is definitely the part I was talking about and after a bit of research (OH NO Google knowledge) I would have to agree with your assessment of it. I was going to try and take a couple of photo's of the work in progress but it rained all day.
P.s you don't know of any decent reference for the German webbing?. I think there are a few straps missing which I was going to add.
That is definitely the part I was talking about and after a bit of research (OH NO Google knowledge) I would have to agree with your assessment of it. I was going to try and take a couple of photo's of the work in progress but it rained all day.
P.s you don't know of any decent reference for the German webbing?. I think there are a few straps missing which I was going to add.
Tarok
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Posted: Monday, December 29, 2008 - 08:46 PM UTC
Hey T.
If you want I can send you scans of Plate A from Osprey's German Equipment book which show the early equipment rig featured on these boys.
PM me your email address
Rudi
If you want I can send you scans of Plate A from Osprey's German Equipment book which show the early equipment rig featured on these boys.
PM me your email address
Rudi
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