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Armor/AFV: Allied - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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First Build - Tamiya M4A3 Sherman 1:35
jlecoure
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Posted: Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 01:38 PM UTC
While I have done a lot of artistic geekery over the years (28mm miniatures) this was my first foray into the world of historical modeling and my first time using an airbrush.

I picked this up to put together for my nephew as a Christmas present and ended up with a new hobby (passion? religion?) and have since spent many an hour watching films, documentaries and surfing armorama message boards dreaming of future builds and cursing myself for all the things I should have done on this build.

I took a "learn as you go" approach to putting this together and made abundant mistakes and learned many things not to do. I also decided to not worry about "realism" much, I will focus on accuracy (color and camouflage) and weathering on future builds. Looking forward to many years of happy armour & diorama construction and lurking about the fora here.

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Thanks for viewing!
calvin_ng
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Posted: Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 01:53 PM UTC
excellent diorama, i love the tank and especially the figures, what did you paint the figures with??? i s*ck at painting figures, other than the tree which is a little out of scale, your off to a great start . keep it up
cheers, calvin
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Posted: Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 06:24 PM UTC
Hey Jason,
Welcome to the site !!!
Hard to tell much from one photo but your 1st attempt looks very good.
Your ground work looks far better than what some of us "old timers" could produce.
Recommend you ask specific questions and make use of the site's best resources, it's members and contributors.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 05:41 AM UTC

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excellent diorama, i love the tank and especially the figures, what did you paint the figures with??? i s*ck at painting figures, other than the tree which is a little out of scale, your off to a great start . keep it up
cheers, calvin



Figures are painted with a mix of "gaming" acrylics - Reaper, Vallejo & Citadel paints. I'm slowly trying to build up a collection of Model Master & Tamiya so I do not have to mix colors so much but after having invested a couple hundred dollars in the miniature supplies the cost is hard to justify!

Trees are from my 28mm collection, so yeah, they are a bit stubby! Thanks.
jlecoure
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 05:43 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hey Jason,
Welcome to the site !!!
Hard to tell much from one photo but your 1st attempt looks very good.
Your ground work looks far better than what some of us "old timers" could produce.
Recommend you ask specific questions and make use of the site's best resources, it's members and contributors.
Cheers

jjumbo



I'll take you up on it then How do you all paint the hand weapons? On the sprue? Somehow attached to a toothpick or brass wire? Or in hand? Was by far the most difficult part! (I ended up painting one end of the M1s & BAR and then the other)
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 06:19 AM UTC

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Trees are from my 28mm collection, so yeah, they are a bit stubby!.



Then it's a bush!

I'm not too good at painting figs. But I like to include them. I paint the weapons on the sprue, then touch up after attaching them to the fig.
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 06:39 AM UTC
Hello Jason, a very good job, I especially like the way the figures came out. I would make one suggestion to you. Before your ground cover hardens press the tank tracks into it, where the tank will be positioned. This will give the effect of weight, so the tank won't be sitting above the ground. It does looks like you made some tread marks behind the Sherman though. All in all a very good first attempt. Al
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 09:03 AM UTC
Other than a very light green wash or what appears to be a green wash on my screen, this looks excellent and I look forward to your future offerings. Well done and thank you for posting.
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 09:12 AM UTC

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I'll take you up on it then How do you all paint the hand weapons? On the sprue? Somehow attached to a toothpick or brass wire? Or in hand? Was by far the most difficult part! (I ended up painting one end of the M1s & BAR and then the other)



Hey Jason,
Yeah, painting infantry weapons can be a pain, best method all kinda depends on the type of weapon you're going to paint.
I'll paint solid gunmetal weapons like the German MP38/40, British Sten or U.S. M3 sub-machine guns on the sprue and then touch up the attachment points after removing them.
With rifles, machine guns and some sub-machine guns, I'll remove them from the sprue, attach bipods or their magazines, paint the woodwork first and then apply the gunmetal afterward.
Drilling a small hole in the butt of the weapon and then attaching a thin brass wire as a handle is also useful.
I'll then give them a wash and dry-brush after attaching them to the hand.
Depending on the fit, I'll either CA the weapon in place or remove some paint from the hand and weapon and then apply some thin plastic glue.
Basically, I use what ever works easiest for the appropriate figures and weapons.
Cheers

jjumbo
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 12:25 PM UTC
Jason-- figures look great. Can you provide some close up shots of them?
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 01:38 PM UTC
Hi Jason,

First off, that is a very, very good first effort. The construction, painting, and groundwork are all technically good. The first thing that struck me was your figures--they look too good for a first attempt. The second thing that struck me was the tank--it looks too "green". The third thing was the groundwork--just well done. When I read the rest of your post it all made sense, perhaps because I took a similar route into armor (fantasy figures, then card models, then plastic armor).

I suspect you do fantasy figure painting, primarily because of the tank. The palette of greens looks too green, like something I would use for a goblin. The current trend in fantasy painting is to use bold colors, even to the point of using florescent colors for highlights. The trend for military vehicles is to use a much more subdued, earthy palette. Shadows, highlights, and contrast are still highly desired, but with more subtlety. Earth tones rule--raw sienna, burnt sienna, umber, black, earth yellow, sand, ivory. Of course, a lot of really great models break this rule by juxtaposing drab colors with bright ones (i.e., sticking a bright red flag on the deck of a drab gray vehicle). You should be a natural for exploiting that.

Next time, I recommend lightening the green base color on the tank with earth yellow or armor sand instead of bright green or white. For the tracks, throw lots of earth tones at them using washes, pigments, drybrushing, and/or sponging. Tracks pick up dirt and rust very quickly, especially in a wet environment.

Good luck with this new branch of the hobby and if you have questions, do not hesitate to ask. There are some really great modelers here willing to help anyone who asks.

-Doug
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Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 12:36 PM UTC
Quite a bit to respond to. Thanks folks.


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Hi Jason,
I suspect you do fantasy figure painting, primarily because of the tank. The palette of greens looks too green, like something I would use for a goblin.
-Doug



Yes I come from a fantasy hobby background and found it a challenge (that I did not overcome) to mute the colors. As a result I think I loose a lot of the "heaviness" and mass that I see in many of the armor models posted here - by which I mean that it looks like a tank and not a toy. Thanks so much for your advice as well! Glad to see someone from a similar background as well.


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Jason-- figures look great. Can you provide some close up shots of them?
thanks
DJ



Unfortunately I had to take the pictures sans tripod and this is one of the few that do not look like there are two of everything, and the model (a christmas present) is a long ways away now. None of the closeups of the figs are usable I need to figure something out as my current build is a 7.5cm AT gun and I'll need closeups for that.


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Basically, I use what ever works easiest for the appropriate figures and weapons.
Cheers

jjumbo



Thanks!

While I should probably ask this in the painting forum - what do I use for an "oil wash" when it comes to thinning? Acetone? Floquil? Some specialty art supply? I've only used ink washes - water & future! So I'm curious about this and the web tutorials I've come across seem to start after the wash is prepared!

Cheers!
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 06:19 PM UTC
cool diorama, i like the detailed work on the figures also. good job!
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 07:05 PM UTC
Very nice job! Welcome to Armor modeling!
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