_GOTOBOTTOM
Armor/AFV: Allied - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
Hosted by Darren Baker
German Trophy Tank Found I peat bog
Plethman
Visit this Community
Washington, United States
Joined: November 08, 2008
KitMaker: 14 posts
Armorama: 6 posts
Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 02:35 PM UTC
WWII Tank Found after 62 Years.

WW II Russian tank with German markings uncovered after 62 years. WW II Buffs will find this interesting. Even after 62 years (and a little tinkering), they were able to fire up the diesel engine!

A Komatsu D375A-2 bulldozer pulled the abandoned tank from its tomb under the boggy bank of a lake near Johvi , Estonia . The Soviet-built T34/76A tank had been resting at the bottom of the lake for 56 years. According to its specifications, it's a 27-ton machine with a top speed of 53km/hr.

From February to September 1944, heavy battles were fought in the narrow, 50 km-wide, Narva front in the northeastern part of Estonia . Over 100,000 men were killed and 300,000 men were wounded there. During battles in the summer of 1944, the tank was captured from the Soviet army and used by the German army. (This is the reason that there are German markings painted on the tank's exterior.) On 19th September, 1944, German troops began an organized retreat along the Narva front. It is suspected that the tank was then purposefully driven into the lake to conceal it when its captors left the area.

At that time, a local boy walking by the lake, Kurtna Matasjarv, noticed tank tracks leading into the lake but not coming out anywhere. For two months he saw air bubbles emerging from the lake. This gave him reason to believe that there must be an armored vehicle at the lake's bottom. A few years ago, he told the story to the leader of the local war history club 'Otsing'. Together with other club members, Mr. Igor Shedunov initiated diving expeditions to the bottom of the lake about a year ago. At the depth of 7 metres they discovered the tank resting under a 3 metre layer of peat.

Enthusiasts from the club, under Mr Shedunov's leadership, decided to pull the tank out. In September of 2000 they turned to Mr. Aleksander Borovkovthe, manager of the Narva open pit company AS Eesti Polevkivi, to rent the company's Komatsu D375A-2 bulldozer. (Currently used at the pit, the Komatsu dozer was manufactured in 1995, and has recorded 19,000 operating hours without major repairs.)

The pulling operation began at 09:00 and was concluded at 15:00, with several technical breaks. The weight of the tank, combined with the travel incline, made for a pulling operation that required significant muscle. The D375A-2 handled the operation with power and style. The weight of the fully-armed tank was around 30 tons, so the active force required to retrieve it was similar. A main requirement for the 68-ton dozer was to have enough weight to prevent slippage while moving up the hill.

After the tank surfaced, it turned out to be a 'trophy tank' that had been captured by the German army in the course of the battle at Sinimaed (Blue Hills) about six weeks before it was sunk in the lake. Altogether, 116 shells were found on board. Remarkably, the tank was in good condition, with NO RUST, and alll systems (except the engine) in working condition. This is a very rare machine, especially considering that it fought both on the Russian and the German sides. Plans are underway to fully restore the tank. It will be displayed at a war history museum in the Gorodenko village on the left bank of the River Narv.

Incredibly, after a few minor repairs, they were able to start its diesel engine.

Pretty amazing...





There are more photos in my profile photos
ppawlak1
Visit this Community
Victoria, Australia
Joined: March 14, 2006
KitMaker: 1,973 posts
Armorama: 1,843 posts
Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 02:42 PM UTC
There's also a Video on Youtube:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FtJkyd3JJWE

and here:

http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=299

Cheers

Paul
Eaglewatch
Visit this Community
United Kingdom
Joined: December 19, 2008
KitMaker: 560 posts
Armorama: 352 posts
Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 04:20 PM UTC
Hi JE thanks for sharing those pics with us , it's really amazing the amount of WWII era vehicles that are still being discovered
Kuno-Von-Dodenburg
Visit this Community
England - North, United Kingdom
Joined: February 20, 2007
KitMaker: 1,453 posts
Armorama: 1,319 posts
Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 09:06 PM UTC
Hello JE,

This has actually been posted here a couple of times already - but of course not everybody will be aware of that, and it's always fascinating to see it again.

Thanks for taking the time to share.

- Steve
marsiascout
Visit this Community
Noord-Brabant, Netherlands
Joined: March 24, 2008
KitMaker: 1,247 posts
Armorama: 913 posts
Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 11:03 PM UTC
I've seen those photo's on the original site. They all came from Russia. Hundreds of people are digged up by hobbyists and hundreds of other materials close together. These people make more fun with the bodies then helping them. They could at least keep them in one part and keep them buried or let someone have research on it, so they know who it was. One familymember is found again. This can mean a lot for familys.

I think about the tanks is OK. Everyone wants to dig up a tank, right? But with the bodies goes too far,

Lars

BTW, Cool how it can be in this state.
CReading
#001
Visit this Community
California, United States
Joined: February 09, 2002
KitMaker: 1,726 posts
Armorama: 892 posts
Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 02:26 AM UTC
Although I have seen the photos several times prior, I had never known the 'story' behind the photos as I can't read the Russian language. Thanks for posting.

Cheers,
Charles
squeeky1968
Visit this Community
England - East Anglia, United Kingdom
Joined: June 06, 2006
KitMaker: 315 posts
Armorama: 232 posts
Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 07:45 AM UTC
and i thought going fishing would be a boring pastime
BROCKUPPERCUT
Visit this Community
Rhode Island, United States
Joined: October 29, 2006
KitMaker: 191 posts
Armorama: 102 posts
Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:24 AM UTC
isnt some on here working on a diorama of this , or was it the one that was found in a river , or pond or something?
firstcircle
Visit this Community
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: November 19, 2008
KitMaker: 2,249 posts
Armorama: 2,007 posts
Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:39 AM UTC
That does remind me of episode 2 of "Tank Overhaul" about the Panther which was pulled out of the river in Poland:

"...PANTHER. This one has been rescued from the bottom of a river in Poland and it has been – literally- blown to pieces. The damage and the mechanical complexity make this the toughest and most expensive job Jacques’ crew have ever done. But the damage also contains clues that lead us back to the scene to reveal what really happened to tank and crew on their final day of battle."

There are a couple of clips from the episode here:
http://dsc.discovery.com/beyond/player.html?playerId=203711706&bclid=471626009
wing_nut
Visit this Community
New Jersey, United States
Joined: June 02, 2006
KitMaker: 1,212 posts
Armorama: 674 posts
Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:40 AM UTC
I still look every time this pops up.
newfish
Visit this Community
England - West Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: June 23, 2008
KitMaker: 2,329 posts
Armorama: 2,110 posts
Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 09:39 AM UTC
intereasting would be nice to someone to build this as a diorama =]

intereasting find ay

Eaglewatch
Visit this Community
United Kingdom
Joined: December 19, 2008
KitMaker: 560 posts
Armorama: 352 posts
Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 04:22 PM UTC
I agree James i think the DML kit of the captured T-34 would be perfect albeit with a few aftermarket upgrades
E23C
Visit this Community
Ontario, Canada
Joined: January 23, 2002
KitMaker: 238 posts
Armorama: 142 posts
Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 04:35 AM UTC
Thanks for posting the pics.I have never see these ones.Last one I saw was of a KV-1 pulled out of a river.The T-34 in German markings is perfect timing since I just bought the Dragon "German Army" T-34/76.

Good stuff
Thanks
Mark
 _GOTOTOP