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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 09:45 PM UTC
Hi all...I want build an Humvee....yeah I've tons of photos but I wish to know some info from you guys that I can't get by me.
1)Enlarged front radiator that is a specif thing on m1114 and following
models..can be mounted on all Humvee type?!I say this cause I've
photos of iraqi humvee with this radiator but on the body of a standard
Humvee,not m1114.
2)Hard kit(coming out with pro art model) can be mounted on m1114?!Are
there versions that are designed for this application?!
3)have you any photos of hard kit mounted on m1114....or have you
photos of hard kit monuted on humvee with enlarged radiator?!
4)In your opinion...if I mix the things I'll do the wrong thing?!or you believe
that all combinations on the humvee is possible?!

Sorry for stupid questions but apart photos it's difficult for me to get an accurate knowledge of the model...I often lost myself in the numerous variants and field modifications.Hope someone can help me.
Ragards

Ciro Riccio
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 10:21 PM UTC

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1)Enlarged front radiator that is a specif thing on m1114 and following
models..can be mounted on all Humvee type?!I say this cause I've
photos of iraqi humvee with this radiator but on the body of a standard
Humvee,not m1114.



Yes, the extended radiator is used on M1114, M1151, and other Armored HMMWVs. It is not used on standard M998 and other unarmored variants.


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2)Hard kit(coming out with pro art model) can be mounted on m1114?!Are
there versions that are designed for this application?!



The HARD kit is not used on Armored HMMWVs. It is applied to unarmored versions to make them more survivable. The HARD kit is mainly the armor package. The A/C unit is also part of it, but either can be used separately.


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3)have you any photos of hard kit mounted on m1114....or have you
photos of hard kit monuted on humvee with enlarged radiator?!


No, see #1 and #2.


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4)In your opinion...if I mix the things I'll do the wrong thing?!or you believe
that all combinations on the humvee is possible?!



Yes, if you mix the types up, it will be wrong.

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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 12:36 AM UTC
The extended radiator is a feature of the M1113 expanded capacity vehicle Humvee, which I believe is the basis for the other armoured Humvee's-M1114 and M1151. What you've probably seen is an ECV Humvee, that to the untrained eye could look like a normal Humvee with extended radiator. Theres some pics in Concords Humvee in Iraq of some special ops ECV's, these have the doors and roof removed but still have an armoured body and various other armor features.

As Gino has said the Hard kit is only suitable on standard un-armored Humvee's. M1114's have these armored features like ballistic windshield, armored doors etc built in as well as air con.
Wakemeup
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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 08:39 AM UTC
Gino and Rob thanks for your replies...now some things are more clear and I'll not mix the things.
Regards and thanks again
Ciro Riccio
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 04:20 AM UTC
Ive seen the HARD in model form but not in any photos. Does anyone have any photos? When was it introduced, because I thought all unarmored humvees had either been returned stateside or confined to FOB duty.

Jeff
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 06:16 AM UTC
The HARD kit was an early attempt to get armor on vehicles quickly. It was in use from '04 until about '05. It was replaced by M1114s. There are a few running around teh FOBs still, but not many. Sorry, I don't have any pics of them.
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 11:32 AM UTC
Thanks Gino. So this was in conjunction with other programs like ASK?

Jeff
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 06:03 PM UTC

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Thanks Gino. So this was in conjunction with other programs like ASK?

Jeff



Yes, right about the same time frame.
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