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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:06 PM UTC
Ok, I have a simple yet seemingly impossible question to ask...what would the markings for a FIST-V in DELTA COMPANY 1-34 ARMOR BN 1st ID.

I am guessing 1^1-34 on the right and D-22 or something on the left? Too many dead brain cells to remember back that far...
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:15 PM UTC
Jacques,
A FIST-V will probably have FA Bn markings... HQ or HHB and who knows what number. I might be able to confirm the FA battalion tomorrow as I have to pitch a briefing at 1-5 FA, 1st BDE, 1ID. Someone from the Artillery community might be able to assist on th evehicle number...

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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:47 PM UTC
The unit data would be the FA Bn. The vehicle # will usually be HHB ### or HQ###. It depends on unit SOP for the actual #. In 3-82 FA, 1 CAV, it was HHB and the numbers were 3 digits in the 900 range, with each BN TF FS section having a different series; 910, 920, 930, etc. At 3 ID, they were in the lower numbers, 10, 20, 30, etc
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:48 PM UTC

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Ok, I have a simple yet seemingly impossible question to ask...what would the markings for a FIST-V in DELTA COMPANY 1-34 ARMOR BN 1st ID.

I am guessing 1^1-34 on the right and D-22 or something on the left? Too many dead brain cells to remember back that far...
The bumper marking you are quoting would be for 1st Armor Division, not 1st Infantry Division (1AD vs. 1ID). IIRC our Fisters had HQ-XXX, but I don't remember the numbers off hand.

The placement of the ^ you used indicates 1st Armor Div. 1st ID would be 1 or 1I, not sure which they use.
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:00 PM UTC
Man, I guess the brain cells are dying off faster than I thought...

Yes, I knew it should be 1I not 1^...sigh.

My best guess right now is 1I -1-34 and HQ-42

But if you can prove me wrong, I will glady listen.
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 - 04:34 PM UTC
I don't have any definite proof, but I still think it should be an FA Bn bumper number, not the AR Bn. The FIST-V is assigned to the FA Bn and task organized to the AR Bn. Just like when a Mech PLT or Co is task organized, they don't change to the AR Bn bumper numbers, but keep the IN Bn numbers.
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 01:23 AM UTC

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I don't have any definite proof, but I still think it should be an FA Bn bumper number, not the AR Bn. The FIST-V is assigned to the FA Bn and task organized to the AR Bn. Just like when a Mech PLT or Co is task organized, they don't change to the AR Bn bumper numbers, but keep the IN Bn numbers.


Concur... Prior to 2004, Fire Support vehicles had FA Battalion bumper numbers... After the transition to a modular Army began, the Fire Support Sections became integrated into the maneuver units and the FS vehicles were marked with maneuver unit markings.

HQ-42 in a maneuver unit would be in the S-4 section or in the support platoon, so take your chances.

John
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 04:42 AM UTC
The only reason I am bringing this up is that there was no mention by the customer of the FA unit, just the supporting unit. So I am thinking that 1I-1-34 and HHB-22 might just be the best "generic" set of markings for this.
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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 07:54 AM UTC
Jacques,
A quick Google of ODS order of Battle showed that 1-5 FA was the DS battalion to 1st Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. See Gary, I can do R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H...

OK, now, using a leap of faith I would use some info that Gino provided to make a bumper number for a FIST-V supporting D Co, 1-34 Armor like this... HQ-924 (1st Brigade FS Element = 9, 1-34 FSE= 2 (Infantry Battalions are always before Armor Battalions - 1-1ID has 1-16 Infantry, 1-34 Armor, & 2-34 Armor) and finally 4 for the D Co FIST Team.

John

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Posted: Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 11:27 AM UTC
Roger, roger,
Just trying to hep him out.

John
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 08:35 AM UTC
Now, now, I appreciate the help. My google-fu is horrible for vehicle markings and order of battle stuff. I just do not seem to be able to get that stuff in my head, it is almost like VODOO.

Also, the Fist-V I rode on with the MN Nat. Guard (1994 ish) was marked 34 - I - 151 - F (34th ID, 1/151 FA) and HQ - 109 - 34. As Fisters were were a part of HHB Det. 1. I could never figure any of that crap out.

SO a BIG thank you for the help. Also, as you may expect, the "customer" does not always know what the heck they want/need.
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 12:58 PM UTC
Ok, going thourgh it, it should be:

1-I-5-FA and HQ-924

Makes sense, in a way, now. Figuring out the order of battle part was probably my biggest achilles heel...
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Posted: Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 04:54 PM UTC

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1-I-5-FA and HQ-924


Pretty close. I think it is missing a 1 though. 1I-1-5 FA; HQ-924 looks closer to me.
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